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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:18 pm to No Colors
Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:18 pm to No Colors
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This is the most consequential change that I have seen in the past 6 months. France and Poland have basically come out and said: "We're not gonna let Russia win."
The big change in the last six months is really just France.
Poland, the Baltic nations, Denmark, Finland, Czechia, the Netherlands, and the UK were really already all-in. The war has become existential for them. They've now invested so much in Ukraine that they can't afford to lose.
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:24 pm to WeeWee
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Ukraine has expanded its draft class size by 200,000, and parts of the French Foreign Legend have deployed to Ukraine. If Putin does not nuke France in the near future which I highly doubt then I expect Poland will join them in sending troops into Ukraine.
Yes, Ukraine has recently struggled to mobilize enough troops. But if French, Polish, or troops from other NATO nations can replace Ukrainian troops along the Belarus border and the Transnistria border, that would free up over 20,000 Ukrainian troops to actually fight.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Ukraine has expanded its draft class size by 200,000, and parts of the French Foreign Legend have deployed to Ukraine. If Putin does not nuke France in the near future which I highly doubt then I expect Poland will join them in sending troops into Ukraine.
Yes, Ukraine has recently struggled to mobilize enough troops. But if French, Polish, or troops from other NATO nations can replace Ukrainian troops along the Belarus border and the Transnistria border, that would free up over 20,000 Ukrainian troops to actually fight.
Poland is itching to do something to respond to Belarus and Russia trying to flood its borders with migrants. Poland would love nothing else than to put troops on the Ukraine-Belarus border in between Chernihiv and Gomel with a sign that says Hej Lukaszenko, nadal chcesz sie pieprzyc?
Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The war has become existential for them
Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:47 pm to SirWinston
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SirWinston
Poland says F**k you mate!
Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
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But if French, Polish, or troops from other NATO nations can replace Ukrainian troops along the Belarus border and the Transnistria border, that would free up over 20,000 Ukrainian troops to actually fight.
I guess we're just blowing up the whole "we're going to hurt Russia without committing any troops" trope the dumbest people in the country loved to repeat ad nauseum.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:18 pm to Turbeauxdog
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I guess we're just blowing up the whole "we're going to hurt Russia without committing any troops" trope the dumbest people in the country loved to repeat ad nauseum.
No, we aren't sending any troops, and we won't. But the US cannot stop others from doing so.
But yeah, the best way to prevent that would have been to send more aid to Ukraine sooner. Sending more aid is still the best way, because it actually lowers escalation risks.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:30 pm to No Colors
Europe had been lulled into a post-Cold War/Soviet complacency, which also changed their internal political paradigms: the enemy was thought to be "immigrants inside their countries," rather than anything external, and that led to a rise of far-right nationalists (Le Pen in France, Kaczynski in Poland...) they've been shaken out of that...
Though, as if Poland's hatred of Russia was not enough to fire them up about this, millions of Ukrainian refugees would be an extra bit of Putin screwing their economy.
For years, though, people have projected that with Germany's demographic decline zapping their power Poland would take their place in Central Europe as the leading country, and when the UK exited the EU France would take even more of a leadership role.
Though, as if Poland's hatred of Russia was not enough to fire them up about this, millions of Ukrainian refugees would be an extra bit of Putin screwing their economy.
For years, though, people have projected that with Germany's demographic decline zapping their power Poland would take their place in Central Europe as the leading country, and when the UK exited the EU France would take even more of a leadership role.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:30 pm to Turbeauxdog
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But if French, Polish, or troops from other NATO nations can replace Ukrainian troops along the Belarus border and the Transnistria border, that would free up over 20,000 Ukrainian troops to actually fight. I guess we're just blowing up the whole "we're going to hurt Russia without committing any troops" trope the dumbest people in the country loved to repeat ad nauseum.
When did France and Poland become part of the USA? They are sovereign nations and can do whatever the fudge they want. They have already said that they would do it without triggering Article 5. After France is a nuclear power so Russia ain’t gonna do anything to them.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:32 pm to WeeWee
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After France is a nuclear power so Russia ain’t gonna do anything to them.
Russia's military doctrine is to use tactical nukes whenever Russia is invaded. Cross border incursions by the Free Russia types, never got shite.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:51 pm to No Colors
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This is the most consequential change that I have seen in the past 6 months. France and Poland have basically come out and said: "We're not gonna let Russia win."
Don’t take Macron seriously.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:36 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Don’t take Lima Whiskey seriously.
FIFY
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:33 am to WeeWee
The French could send at most, one to two brigades, which they could sustain for about a month or two.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:30 am to Lima Whiskey
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The French could send at most, one to two brigades, which they could sustain for about a month or two
Please explain how you know this. Give specific reasons and data.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:21 am to Lima Whiskey
France could easily supply 5,000 - 6,000 troops and far quicker than the USA could get there. That isn't counting SF units. They have been well trained, way more than Ukraine or Russian troops.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 6:23 am
Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:11 am to No Colors
No Colours, why do you doubt him?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:20 am to WeeWee
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WTF makes you doubt it
I explained in my comment, if you would have actually read it before getting your panties in a wad you would have understood that if the war is over in 2024 there won't be a counteroffensive in 2025
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Ukraine is digging in
If they are digging in, why would they leave those positions for another counteroffensive?
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If Putin does not nuke France in the near future which I highly doubt then I expect Poland will join them in sending troops into Ukraine.
Well if he doesn't do it before that, the liklihood is much higher that he will after.
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Russia has already gone all in and they only gained 86 km^2 in March and April of this year. It is not going to get better for them since 90% of the tanks it is sending to the front from factories are 1950s-1970s era T55s and T62s with new spark plugs and a new paint jobs. The good old fashioned RPG7 which Ukraine still has millions of can knock those tanks out. Russia will launch big offensives this summer and will probably make some gains but unless they change up tactics those gains will be limited and casualties will be high.
You just aren't understanding that I think all of this renewed movement after very little activity in the past 6mo or so (at least comparitively) is both sides puffing their chests before going to the table. And like I also said in my previous comment that you were too angry to actually read the entirety of, them preparing to go to the table doesn't mean a deal will get done (or that we even find out publicly they went to the table at all).
Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:22 am to WeeWee
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When did France and Poland become part of the USA? They are sovereign nations and can do whatever the fudge they want. They have already said that they would do it without triggering Article 5. After France is a nuclear power so Russia ain’t gonna do anything to them.
Direct NATO involvement increases the likelihood that we do get involved directly, and I'm not sure how any reasonable person could argue otherwise.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:25 am to GOP_Tiger
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The war has become existential for them.
The war against Russia, who can't even put away an opponent 4 weight classes down from them, is existential to multiple countries that Russia would never invade in the modern day?
Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:32 am to VolSquatch
quote:u r dum
The war against Russia, who can't even put away an opponent 4 weight classes down from them, is existential to multiple countries that Russia would never invade in the modern day?
“existential”
Russian nuclear weapons pose a threat to the entire world’s existence.
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