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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:23 am to
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:23 am to
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For the record, Russia is unable to meet its own gasoline and diesel needs. We are exporting crude oil from the USA so the idea that the Biden Admin is concerned about prices at the pump is misplaced. This will have zero affect on that at all.


Oil is a commodity traded on the world market, ANYTHING happening ANYWHERE in the world affects oil pricing and ultimately the price of gas at the pump in the US.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13635 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:28 am to
So the administration is slow walking,,,,dragging to a halt LNG projects in the states while making certain Russian banks can finance the export of Russian natural gas....hmmmm makes sense, right?

So if we are halting the LNG projects in the states so they wont export to Europe and pollute the environment, but we are ensuring Russia can export to Europe so they can.....oh nevermind, that friggin logical thinking of mine again.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22502 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:30 am to
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Almost certainly true, but that didn't stop the people running Biden's administration from putting out the press release.


If that son of a bitch gets re-elected this nation is finished. They are destroying this country. We cannot sustain this.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9821 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:31 am to
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So if we are halting the LNG projects in the states


Zero LNG liquefaction plants and terminals have been halted. There are a number more which have been permitted, some haven't even been fully funded yet, with all permits in place.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13635 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:34 am to
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Zero LNG liquefaction plants and terminals have been halted. There are a number more which have been permitted, some haven't even been fully funded yet, with all permits in place.


Bull friggin shat, you lying piece of garbage.

Google FERC delays projects, and after 15 days of reading get back to me
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9821 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:55 am to
Proposed not permitted.

One Calcasieu Pass has delayed final commissioning which is has pissed off its contracted customers.

Try harder.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19981 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:05 am to
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It continues to be stressed to me by actual Russians with in depth knowledge of its economy (and very likely money laundering in London) how much Putin has wrecked its economy.


And to think, Putin could have taken the peace and prosperity path instead of his delusions of Peter the Great resurrection.

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2474 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:06 am to
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The one and a half trillion is the crazy.



That would be about on par, or maybe even less than , the spending levels the west collectively is at for Ukraine. Well over half a trillion dollars currently in 2 years.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13635 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:08 am to
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One Calcasieu Pass has delayed final commissioning which is has pissed off its contracted customers.


What does this even mean? Here is what has happened.....

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“It has been eight months since FERC issued a Final Environmental Impact Statement for CP2, making it one of the longest to ever sit before the Commission.


Once again I ask anyone on this thread, google "ferc delays projects" and after 15 pages of reading delays, constraints, legal manoeuvring using NGOs to sue the administration, etc. Tell me the administration is not purposely damaging the natural gas business in the US.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
548 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:26 am to
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This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 11:34 am
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8123 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:29 am to
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I don't know what a good answer is. I'm just saying that the measure of what is and is not a success for either side are goalposts that are constantly moving and changed by (and sometimes devoid of) any and all context.

I'll offer my perspective.

First: Ukraine "surviving" is not enough. They have to come out of this stronger than they were. EU membership seems likely, which will make them wealthier than Russia and cut Russia off from Western trade further.

Second: Russia has, IMO, already lost. Their economy is bricked beyond belief. They cannot even sell gas domestically.

The land they've conquered is broken and destroyed, with the population mostly gone. They gain resources they already owned, in land that must be rebuilt. That's not an ideal war result, is it?

Russia can't afford to build up infrastructure in their own country, but they'll magically rebuild Ukraine? It's a laughable concept.

Russia's black sea fleet is toast, their oil production is toast, their foreign reserves are toast, their assets are seized by western countries, and they still haven't conquered the Donbas.

*ETA -- Russia can only "win" by taking over the whole of Ukraine and gaining 10m+ new civilians, new resources they didn't already own AND gain back market access to the west within a time frame of ~5 years. Otherwise, the costs of the war massively exceed the gains of the war.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 11:34 am
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82898 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:30 am to
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
548 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:34 am to
I think it was an old video, my bad.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36446 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:13 pm to
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Almost certainly true, but that didn't stop the people running Biden's administration from putting out the press release.


Could you link that press release. I want to read for myself what that old man is trying to do.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36446 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:16 pm to
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That would be about on par, or maybe even less than , the spending levels the west collectively is at for Ukraine. Well over half a trillion dollars currently in 2 years.


But not the US alone.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
54188 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:04 pm to
Good piece on all the meddling here.

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According to Andrii Telizhenko, a former Ukrainian government official who worked closely with Western officials during this period, the U.S. government’s role went far beyond those high-profile displays of solidarity.

“As soon as it grew into something, into the bigger Maidan, in the beginning of December, it basically was full coordination with the U.S. Embassy,” Telizhenko recalls. “Full, full.”

When the protests erupted, Telizhenko was working as an adviser to a Ukrainian member of Parliament. Having spent part of his youth in Canada and the United States, Telizhenko’s fluent English and Western connections landed him a position helping to oversee the Maidan Movement’s international relations. In this role, he organized meetings with and coordinated security arrangements for foreign visitors, including U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt, Nuland, and McCain. Most of their briefings were held at Kyiv’s Trade Unions Building, the movement’s de-facto headquarters in the city’s center.

Telizhenko says Pyatt routinely coordinated with Maidan leaders on protest strategy. In one encounter, the ambassador observed Right Sector members assembling Molotov cocktails that would later be thrown at riot police attempting to enter the building. Sometimes, the U.S. ambassador disapproved of his counterparts’ tactics. “The U.S. embassy would criticize if something would happen more radical than it was supposed to go by plan, because it's bad for the picture,” Telizhenko said..

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On April 12, CIA chief John Brennan slipped into the Ukrainian capital for secret meetings with top officials. Russia, whose intelligence services ran a network of informants inside Ukraine, publicly outed Brennan’s visit. The Kremlin and Yanukovych directly accused Brennan of encouraging an assault on the Donbas.

The CIA dismissed the allegation as “completely false,” and insisted that Brennan supported a “diplomatic solution” as “the only way to resolve the crisis.” The following month, Brennan insisted that “I was out there to interact with our Ukrainian partners and friends.”

Yet Russia and Yanukovych were not alone in voicing concerns about the CIA chief’s covert trip. “What message does it send to have John Brennan, the head of the CIA in Kiev, meeting with the interim government?” Sen. Murphy complained. “Does that not confirm the worst paranoia on the part of the Russians and those who see the Kiev government as essentially a puppet of the West?... It may not be super smart to have Brennan in Kiev, giving the impression that the United States is somehow there to fight a proxy war with Russia.”

According to Telizhenko, who attended the Brennan meeting and spoke to RCI on record about it for the first time, that’s exactly what the CIA chief was there to do. Contrary to U.S. claims, Telizhenko says, “Brennan gave a green light to use force against Donbas,” and discussed “how the U.S. could support it.” One day after the meeting, Kyiv announced an “Anti-Terrorist Operation” (ATO) against the Donbas region and began a military assault.

Telizhenko, who was by then working as a senior policy adviser to Vitaliy Yarema, the First Deputy Prime Minister, says he helped arrange the Brennan gathering after getting a phone call from the U.S. embassy. “I was told there was going to be a top secret meeting, with a top U.S. official and that my boss should be there,” he recalls. “I was also told not to tell anyone.”

LINK
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9821 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:16 pm to
CP2's request. Case closed

Now go play. They even approved a permit for one at Brownsville the day the pause in NEW permits was enacted.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
849 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:20 pm to
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Oil is a commodity traded on the world market, ANYTHING happening ANYWHERE in the world affects oil pricing and ultimately the price of gas at the pump in the US.


True.

And it's funny that people jump to a "command economy" mindset instantly whenever they think gas is too expensive.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9821 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:24 pm to
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Andrii Telizhenko


Meh. Far Leftist Aaron Mate reporting
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
849 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:26 pm to
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And to think, Putin could have taken the peace and prosperity path instead of his delusions of Peter the Great resurrection.


Well, you can't steal the wealth out of an economy, eternally... among all the other reasons he did this was the peasants reading about how much money Russia was making from becoming Europe's natural gas supplier, and looking around and saying "where is it all going?" And since the Eastern Russians are who they constantly fear will become rebellious, this had the extra benefit of disposing of them by the tens of thousands or more, right?

I wonder how much longer the Saudi regime can pull it off? The US disposed of Al Qaeda for them, for the most part, but they can't hack every journalist who questions it all to pieces... of course, at the moment, we'd probably send in the military to make sure that regime stays put to counter Iran.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 1:29 pm
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