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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:48 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:48 am to Coeur du Tigre
After personally visiting Trump at Mar a Lago last week, Orban finally speaks the truth:
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Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán: Donald Trump will not be giving "a single penny" to fight Russian aggression in Ukraine. That is his idea on how to end the war.
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For the 1000th time--you cant support Trump and support Ukraine. Trump is now using his influence to make sure Ukraine gets no aid, and if president would be even more destructive.
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:16 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Donald Trump will not be giving "a single penny" to fight Russian aggression in Ukraine.
Just yesterday he was quoted as saying he wanted to break the deadlock in congress by loaning Ukraine $60 billion at zero interest to buy US weapons.
So which one is it?
Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:38 am to No Colors
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So which one is it?
He wants to break the deadlock yet he IS the reason for the deadlock.
So which one is it?
Watch what he does, not what he says. It's painful for Trump supporters that want him to somehow support Ukraine, but this is fantasy.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:39 am to No Colors
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So which one is it?
Technically speaking, he wouldn't be giving anything even if it is a trillion dollars, it would be the US government.
Who buys what Orban says? Orban is a Putin puppet. His nation's economy is joined to Russia via its only supply of oil and natural gas are via pipelines through Ukraine. There were several projects over the years to diversify supply but all were cancelled.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:51 am to CitizenK
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Who buys what Orban says? Orban is a Putin puppet.
Trump honors Viktor Orban for being an autocrat: “There’s nobody that’s better, smarter or a better leader than Viktor Orban. He says, ‘This is the way it’s gonna be,’ and that’s the end of it. He’s the boss.”
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Pretty woman version
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:07 am to Coeur du Tigre
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he IS the reason for the deadlock.
Precisely. He's creating a problem so that he can provide the solution to the problem.
I don't follow politics much, but this is crystal clear to me. Is it not to you?
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:27 am to No Colors
quote:If your idea of stopping Russia is cutting off all US aid to Ukraine, then it is a solution. That is Trump's solution. Full stop. I just ask that we don't deny, deflect and rationalize around Trump doing this exact thing if he is elected. It will happen.
He's creating a problem so that he can provide the solution to the problem.
Again, what he does, not what he says.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:46 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Again, what he does, not what he says.
He provided weapons that Obama wouldn't.
He will not allow Ukraine to fall on his watch if elected. He'll also want to look better than Biden has.
His actions with sanctions and tariffs on Russia were definitely more than Obama's, including one thing which RUSAL has an almost monopoly on, Aluminum.
The reaction of bombing Wagner to hell in Syria had to be a presidential decision as well.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:14 am to CitizenK
quote:I appreciate a good history lesson as much as the next guy. But let's focus on what Trump is doing right now, in the current circumstances. He is actively blocking all aid, military and otherwise, to Ukraine at a critical point in that war. He is defending Putin.
He provided weapons that Obama wouldn't.
He will not allow Ukraine to fall on his watch if elected. He'll also want to look better than Biden has.
His actions with sanctions and tariffs on Russia were definitely more than Obama's, including one thing which RUSAL has an almost monopoly on, Aluminum.
The reaction of bombing Wagner to hell in Syria had to be a presidential decision as well.
He is defending Putin.
Look, I'm not a Biden supporter but those are the facts. No amount of rationalization can change that.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 11:31 am to Coeur du Tigre
Trump is actually not blocking all aid right now. Aid is going to happen. It hasn't happened yet because the GOP both wants concessions on the border and doesn't want them. In other words, the GOP can't figure out what it wants to do on another topic (the border), and this has held up Ukraine aid.
Look, I voted 3rd party in the last two presidential elections, and I don't plan to vote for Trump this year either, but what he is doing right now, whether intentionally or not, is that he is getting Europe to get its sh*t together.
Europe is figuring out how they will oppose Russia without US support. If you are a supporter of Ukraine, that's a good thing.
Trump can tell Orban whatever he wants right now, and that isn't binding on him in any way as president.
The truth is that a Trump 2nd term is unpredictable in terms of Ukraine.
For the time being, Trump is just focused on getting MAGA to keep writing checks to him to cover his legal bills. Normally, with the nomination wrapped up, a presidential candidate would begin to pivot back to the center, but Trump literally cannot afford to do that.
Look, I voted 3rd party in the last two presidential elections, and I don't plan to vote for Trump this year either, but what he is doing right now, whether intentionally or not, is that he is getting Europe to get its sh*t together.
Europe is figuring out how they will oppose Russia without US support. If you are a supporter of Ukraine, that's a good thing.
Trump can tell Orban whatever he wants right now, and that isn't binding on him in any way as president.
The truth is that a Trump 2nd term is unpredictable in terms of Ukraine.
For the time being, Trump is just focused on getting MAGA to keep writing checks to him to cover his legal bills. Normally, with the nomination wrapped up, a presidential candidate would begin to pivot back to the center, but Trump literally cannot afford to do that.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Trump can tell Orban whatever he wants right now, and that isn't binding on him in any way as president.
Orban is Putin’s favorite EU politician and his second most favorite western politician overall.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:17 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
You keep pointing out that the west is not making as many shells as Russia. That is true but Russia is not making enough shells to sustain itself either.
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Russia is producing about 250,000 artillery munitions per month, or about 3 million a year, according to NATO intelligence estimates of Russian defense production shared with CNN, as well as sources familiar with Western efforts to arm Ukraine. Collectively, the US and Europe have the capacity to generate only about 1.2 million munitions annually to send to Kyiv, a senior European intelligence official told CNN.
If this war has taught the world anything it is that NATO usually overestimates Russia’s capabilities. Russia is probably producing less than the estimated 3,000,000 shells per year.
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Officials say Russia is currently firing around 10,000 shells a day, compared to just 2,000 a day from the Ukrainian side.
10,000 shells per day x 365 day per year = 3,650,000 shells per year. 3,000,000 shells manufactured- 3,650,000 shells fired = -650,000 shells.
While firing those 10,000 shells per day it still took Russia 4 months to capture Avdiivka. That means they used approximately 1.2 million shells to move the front line < 20 km west. How is Russia going to come up with the shells and the bodies for a sustained advance?
BTW, you still have not answered my question about if you have actually been to Russia or not?
Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:32 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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appreciate a good history lesson as much as the next guy. But let's focus on what Trump is doing right now, in the current circumstances. He is actively blocking all aid, military and otherwise, to Ukraine at a critical point in that war. He is defending Putin.
He is defending Putin.
Look, I'm not a Biden supporter but those are the facts. No amount of rationalization can change that.
America First
Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:33 pm to Coeur du Tigre
The Democrats tied aid to Ukraine with the border issue, and not the way the GOP or the public wants. That is the problem.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:35 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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For the 1000th time--you cant support Trump and support Ukraine. Trump is now using his influence to make sure Ukraine gets no aid, and if president would be even more destructive.
This is why you, CitizenK, FalconsPiratesPanthers, and GOPeTiger are called Bidenistas.
You openly support the Biden family grift LINK
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/11/24 at 12:36 pm to CitizenK
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The Democrats tied aid to Ukraine with the border issue
Mike Johnson did that. Look it up. The gaslighting in this thread is approaching PT board levels.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:12 pm to cypher
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/11/24 at 2:31 pm to SirWinston
Bloomberg...
Polish President to Propose NATO Spends 3% of GDP on Defense
Polish President Andrzej Duda will propose that NATO member states raise the minimum level of defense spending to 3% of economic output in his talks with US President Joe Biden.
Duda and Prime Minister Donald Tusk are traveling to the US to meet Biden at the White House on Tuesday as Warsaw seeks reinforcement of the defense alliance’s eastern flank in the face of the war in Ukraine, Poland’s neighbor.
Duda, speaking before a meeting with Tusk’s government and party leaders, said he wants to propose raising the spending threshold from 2% in talks with all NATO members, including Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Thursday.
“Nobody will dare to attack strong NATO, strong nations that will be able to defend their borders,” Duda said.
Polish President to Propose NATO Spends 3% of GDP on Defense
Polish President Andrzej Duda will propose that NATO member states raise the minimum level of defense spending to 3% of economic output in his talks with US President Joe Biden.
Duda and Prime Minister Donald Tusk are traveling to the US to meet Biden at the White House on Tuesday as Warsaw seeks reinforcement of the defense alliance’s eastern flank in the face of the war in Ukraine, Poland’s neighbor.
Duda, speaking before a meeting with Tusk’s government and party leaders, said he wants to propose raising the spending threshold from 2% in talks with all NATO members, including Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Thursday.
“Nobody will dare to attack strong NATO, strong nations that will be able to defend their borders,” Duda said.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 2:50 pm to cypher
You’d be shocked what just that 1% rise in GDP funding from 2% to
3% would do for strengthening NATO. It would put Putin in his little high chair throwing a temper tantrum spilling his cereal all over the floor. Also for those that say you can’t be a Trump supporter and support Ukraine, that’s just 100% bullshite because I am one. I didn’t support Ukraine when this all began as much as I denounced Russia and Putin for doing what they did. When I saw the Ukrainian’s wil to stand and fight against a vastly larger enemy was when I really started supporting them. Finally one last thing. What is the problem with Trump’s idea about giving help to Ukraine in the form of a loan that has no interest or even a hard and fast payback date, if ever? Seems like a pretty damn good deal to me if I was Zelensky.
3% would do for strengthening NATO. It would put Putin in his little high chair throwing a temper tantrum spilling his cereal all over the floor. Also for those that say you can’t be a Trump supporter and support Ukraine, that’s just 100% bullshite because I am one. I didn’t support Ukraine when this all began as much as I denounced Russia and Putin for doing what they did. When I saw the Ukrainian’s wil to stand and fight against a vastly larger enemy was when I really started supporting them. Finally one last thing. What is the problem with Trump’s idea about giving help to Ukraine in the form of a loan that has no interest or even a hard and fast payback date, if ever? Seems like a pretty damn good deal to me if I was Zelensky.
Posted on 3/11/24 at 2:54 pm to bucknut
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WTF do you think they expect to learn from an M1A1 without the special armor composite?
AHAHAHA I knew this excuse was coming. "b-b-but the abrams don't have the special armor!"
It does not have the depleted uranium armor and all of the classified electronic gear was removed and swapped out for foreign gear. For example the optics were swapped out for French made optics that Russia already has access to since it was buying the optics for its T90s from France prior to 2014. The armor on the Abrams in Ukraine is the same export armor that is on the Abrams that the USA sold to Iraq and Saudi Arabia which Russia and Iran had access to because Saudi Arabia had quite a few M1s knocked out in their Yemen campaign. I do not know if the depleted uranium armor would have made a difference because from the videos I have seen each Abrams that has been destroyed was either hit by a drone on top of the ammunition bustle which has very thin armor to allow shells to explode upwards without killing the crew or took multiple hits from ATGMs. The M1s seemed to survive the first 2 hits but the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and even 6th hit pretty much did them in.
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