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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:38 am to
Posted by VOLhalla
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:38 am to
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Wasn't arguing this, just the point that Iran didn't "technically" receive the money. They sure did.


Yeah, that’s my fault - I wasn’t being clear with what I meant. Iran definitely got 6 billion of their cash. What I meant is that it’s not like they suddenly got 6 billion in their Amazon account which they used to turn around to order 5,000 rockets last month. This attack was probably planned years ago and preparations have been going on for a long, long time. I highly doubt the actions of the Biden administration last month had any impact on the scale of it.

But Iran 100% sponsers terrorism and any cash they have access to (directly or indirectly) could definitely be used to further their goals. A lot of evil in the world
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:41 am to
I'm trying to imagine a dumber take than this one, and I'm coming up dry:

Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 11:52 am to
We freed the shite out of Iraq and Afghanistan because some saudis flew a plane into a building.

We have absolutely no moral grounds to tell Israel to chill.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 12:08 pm to
Tweeted unironically by RWA

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FYI, RWA does not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Give peace a chance

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:11 pm to


These are the same people that MTG posed with a few days ago:

Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:14 pm to
Yea, thats pretty lol
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:16 pm to
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GOP_Tiger



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I think that Hamas wasn't factoring in the US at all, but if anything, what happened today is a result of US weakness.

What we are seeing today is more of the same:

- The disastrous Trump/Biden decision to give Afghanistan back to the Taliban

- Biden's weak and cowardly response to Russian aggression in Ukraine. Biden could've given Ukraine ATACMS and Abrams in the first week of the conflict and enabled Ukraine to kick Russia out.

- The long-term Obama/Biden weakness towards Iran.

- Increasing GOP opposition to US military spending and a lack of support for our allies.


You and Bill Kristol should get a room. You are both treasonous snakes.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:17 pm to
I'd rather side with Code Pink than Biden / Bush / Obama / Clinton.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:25 pm to
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I'd rather side with Code Pink


This is my shocked face.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 3:26 pm to
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You and Bill Kristol should get a room. You are both treasonous snakes.


This GOP dude needs help. Like serious help.
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:28 pm to
You baws have really jumped the shark in this thread haven't ya?
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:28 pm to
Do yourself a favour and watch this 45 second video.

LINK
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 4:29 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:29 pm to
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SirWinston


Do the USA a favor and move back to England.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 4:41 pm to
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treasonous
the only people perpetrating sedition is you and your ilk
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 10/7/23 at 6:26 pm to
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Increasing GOP opposition to US military spending and a lack of support for our allies.


Put a Republican back in office and all of that GOP opposition to our involvement in Ukraine evaporates. I’d bet my house we still support Ukraine after 2024 no matter who wins the election

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:42 pm to
ISW Update

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The Kremlin is already and will likely continue to exploit the Hamas attacks in Israel to advance several information operations intended to reduce US and Western support and attention to Ukraine. The Kremlin amplified several information operations following Hamas attacks in Israel on October 7, primarily blaming the West for neglecting conflicts in the Middle East in favor of supporting Ukraine and claiming the international community will cease to pay attention to Ukraine by portraying attention to the Middle East or alternatively Ukraine as a zero-sum comparison. Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev claimed the United States and its allies should have been “busy with” working on “Palestinian-Israeli settlement” rather than “interfering” with Russia and providing Ukraine with military aid.[1] The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) accused the West of blocking efforts by a necessary “quartet” of Russia, the US, the European Union, and the United Nations, leading to an escalation in violence, implicitly blaming the West for the current fighting.[2] Prominent Russian propagandist Sergei Mardan directly stated that Russia will benefit from the escalation as the world “will take its mind off Ukraine for a while and get busy once again putting out the eternal fire in the Middle East.”[3] These Kremlin narratives target Western audiences to drive a wedge in military support for Ukraine, seek to demoralize Ukrainian society by claiming Ukraine will lose international support, and intend to reassure Russian domestic audiences that the international society will ignore Ukraine’s war effort.

Several key sources within the Russian information space shifted the focus of their daily coverage to the situation in Israel on October 7, which may impact the information environment around the war in Ukraine in the coming days or weeks. Many Russian milbloggers focused largely on the Hamas attacks in Israel on October 7, and some promoted Kremlin information operations by claiming that the West’s attention has shifted away from Ukraine and towards Israel.[4] This focus on Israel even prompted one Russian milblogger to urge others to not “forget” about the war in Ukraine

Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 7 and reportedly advanced in both directions. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces were partially successful east of Andriivka (8km southwest of Bakhmut).[6] Ukrainian Eastern Group of Forces Spokesperson Captain Ilya Yevlash noted that Ukrainian forces have advanced from 100 to 300 meters in different directions near Bakhmut over the past day

Russian forces conducted a series of missile strikes targeting Ukrainian rear areas and port infrastructure on the night of October 6-7. Ukrainian sources, including the Ukrainian Southern Operational Command, reported that Russian forces launched Onyx cruise missiles from occupied Crimea at Chernomorsk, Odesa Oblast; and Poltava Oblast Head Dmytro Lunin stated that Russian forces conducted a missile strike on Myrhorod, Poltava Oblast.[9] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the Russian strikes damaged a granary, residential buildings, educational buildings, and other civil infrastructure.[10]

The Russian government approved legislation temporarily restricting the border checkpoints that Ukrainian citizens can use to enter Russia from third countries, likely focused on Belarus and the Baltic States, likely in response to continued concern over the security of Russian border regions and possible Ukrainian infiltration efforts. Russian media reported on October 6 that the legislation states that Ukrainian citizens 14 years old and above can only enter Russia from third countries through the Ludonka automotive checkpoint in Pskov Oblast (bordering Latvia) and Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow Oblast beginning on October 16.[11] The legislation does not apply to Ukrainian citizens traveling from occupied Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhia, and Kherson oblasts or Ukrainian citizens under the age of 14 traveling without a legal guardian. This decision is reportedly aimed at “ensuring the safety” of Russian citizens.

Belarusian officials are leveraging international partnerships in an attempt to legitimize Belarus’ role in the illegal deportation of Ukrainian children. Russian and Belarusian media reported on October 4 that a number of diplomats who are accredited in Belarus visited a group of 44 children from Lysychansk and Severodonetsk at an accommodation point in Novopolotsk, Belarus.[12] The group of diplomats included representatives from Zimbabwe, India, Qatar, China, Cuba, Mongolia, the United Arab Emirates, Palestine, Russia, Syria, and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS).[13] Russian and Belarusian media reported that Belarusian officials showed the diplomats the dormitory where the children are located and talked about the educational and medical services provided to the children

Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky stated that Russian “patriotic” communities remain vulnerable to division due to Russian officials’ failure to consolidate society, particularly after Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s June 24 rebellion.[15] Khodakovsky argued that Russia must consolidate its society to achieve a common goal for the war – a goal that he claimed that Russian society does not have a good understanding of. Khodakovsky argued that the fact that Prigozhin remains in people’s heads despite his disappearance from the public eye after his rebellion demonstrates that Russian elites do not care much about the need to consolidate society. Khodakovsky concluded that there are and will be “provocative injections” into the Russian ultranationalist space that aim to break the patriotic environment by stirring up contradictions to slow and complicate the war effort. Khodakovsky added that these provocations also aim to make post-war Russian society unstable. Khodakovsky was likely reacting to discussions in the Russian information space following Russian President Vladimir Putin’s mention of Prigozhin at the Valdai Discussion Club on October 5, and his response likely indicates that Russian society continues to be influenced by Prigozhin despite his death on August 23.[16]

Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov awarded his son, Adam Kadyrov, the title of “Hero of the Chechen Republic” on October 7 despite recent controversy after Ramzan Kadyrov posted footage of Adam beating a detainee.[17] Russian State Duma Deputy Adam Delimkhanov, Adam Kadyrov’s godfather, praised Adam for being a “shining example” of competence and education and a purposeful young man.[18] Ramzan Kadyrov also notably appointed his daughter, Aishat Kadyrova, Chechen Deputy Prime Minister for Social Issues on October 2.[19] Both instances came after prominent members of the Russian Human Rights Council called for an investigation into Adam Kadyrov for the beating.[20]

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) highlighted the production of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on October 7, supporting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s statements about successful tests of the missile on October 5 as part of a continued nuclear brinkmanship information operation. The Russian MoD published footage of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visiting the Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant and inspecting the production process of the Sarmat ICBM.[21] Shoigu claimed that the Russian Strategic Missile Force would be re-equipped with the Sarmat missile system. ISW previously assessed that the Kremlin and Russian MoD use nuclear rhetoric to prompt the United States and its allies to pressure Ukraine to negotiate and that Russian nuclear use in Ukraine remains unlikely
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

Key Takeaways:

The Kremlin is already and will likely continue to exploit the Hamas attacks in Israel to advance several information operations intended to reduce US and Western support and attention to Ukraine.

Several key sources within the Russian information space shifted the focus of their daily coverage to the situation in Israel on October 7, which may impact the information environment around the war in Ukraine in the coming days or weeks.

Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 7 and reportedly advanced in both directions.

Russian forces conducted a series of missile strikes targeting Ukrainian rear areas and port infrastructure on the night of October 6-7.

The Russian government approved legislation temporarily restricting the border checkpoints that Ukrainian citizens can use to enter Russia from third countries, likely focused on Belarus and the Baltic States, likely in response to continued concern over the security of Russian border regions and possible Ukrainian infiltration efforts.

Belarusian officials are leveraging international partnerships in an attempt to legitimize Belarus’ role in the illegal deportation of Ukrainian children.

Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky stated that Russian “patriotic” communities remain vulnerable to division due to Russian officials’ failure to consolidate society, particularly after Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s June 24 rebellion.

The Russian MoD highlighted the production of the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on October 7, supporting Russian President Vladimir Putin’s statements about successful tests of the missile on October 5 as part of a continued nuclear brinkmanship information operation.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in western Donetsk Oblast, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced in some areas on October 7.

Ukrainian partisan activity reportedly killed a United Russia official in occupied Kherson Oblast.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8605 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 7:57 pm to
F-16s are doing work right now for Israel. This has to make Ukraine smile a bit seeing how versatile and deadly these aircraft are. There is a KC-10A Extender that has been flying off Israel’s coast also to refuel their fighters if needed.
This post was edited on 10/7/23 at 8:15 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105289 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:18 pm to
quote:

The Kremlin is already and will likely continue to exploit the Hamas attacks in Israel to advance several information operations intended to reduce US and Western support and attention to Ukraine.


Already putting in work on the poliboard.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20971 posts
Posted on 10/7/23 at 8:49 pm to
Pence agrees with me: LINK

quote:

GLENWOOD, I.A. — Former Vice President Mike Pence tore into Donald Trump and pointed to isolationism in the Republican Party as complicit in the sweeping Hamas attack on Israel, decrying American “retreat on the world stage.”

In a scathing rebuke, Pence faulted “voices of appeasement like Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy and Ron DeSantis that I believe have run contrary to the tradition in our party that America is the leader of the free world.”
quote:

Faulting President Joe Biden for “projecting weakness on the world stage,” Pence also pointed an accusatory finger rightward at an event here near the Nebraska border.

“This is also what happens when you have leaders in the Republican Party signaling retreat on the world stage,” Pence said.

When he added the Reaganesque line that “it’s time to get back to peace through strength,” the candidate polling in single digits nationally received an uncharacteristically sustained round of applause.



It's a good thing that the isolationist idiots do not represent a majority of the American people. I expect Congress to pass a large supplemental in the next few weeks that includes large amounts of defense spending for Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan.

"America First!" really means "Empower Terrorism!", and some people figured that out today.
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