re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

It's pretty easy to judge the tone around here looking at the red and green arrows

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whoa- let's bring the hyperbole down a notch

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That's what Putin said

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That’s not a fair comparison. Russian or the USSR has never put a premium on projecting power the way we have. There’s only 2 or 3 countries in the world that can project power past their immediate neighbors.

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I don't disagree, but it shows the weakness of the Russian military. They pretended like they could - turns out they can't.

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We were 300 miles into Iraq against an army that had been under a no fly zone for the previous 12 years and wasn’t being supplied with the latest western munitions.

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And also had SAM capabilities that the Ukrainians could only dream of.

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Russias army isn’t as good as ours and the Ukrainian army is light years ahead of what we fought in the invasion of Iraq. Add to that fact that the Russians are not nearly as risk averse when it comes to casualties as we are.

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The Ukrainian army isn't that much better than the Iraqis were. Remember, the Iraqis had a good chunk of their military who, in 2003, still had experience in the last major nation v nation war.

Also, risk aversion for casualties generally means that it'd be a slower advance, not quicker.

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If you take the western philosophy of low casualties out of the equation(which I think is stupid btw) then Russia is wiping the floor with Ukraine. They’re taking all the ports and have the capital virtually surrounded. And I also believe that they have finally achieved air superiority over Ukraine

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Low casualties are generally enabled by speed and maneuver. The Russians have shown neither so far, except perhaps on their Southern front.

They have not taken all the ports (nowhere near that, actually) and have not come close at all to closing off Ukrainian supply lines.

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The abuse of that word is insane.

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No doubt. It's ridiculous as used about the war too - "this is genocide" - no it's not, Russian troops standing around while Ukranians tell them to eat shite and die is not what genocide looks like

That’s a good point about NCOs… Ukraine has been fighting separatists for 8+ years in eastern Ukraine… there are thousands of soldiers with combat experience. While Russia has backed the separatists, their boots on the ground have been limited.

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Palmetto98 Dude if you’re on the Russian payroll or something, just save us some time and admit it. If not, I suggest taking a break and reassessing your position.

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It’s as simple as this. He’s one of the those impotent losers who thinks Putin is some badass even though he’s literally hiding in quarantine in some mountain bunker because hes afraid of fricking Covid. Putin is a fake tough guy and hes a magnet for dweebs across the internet who are turned on by his lame photo ops. Meanwhile, Zelensky, like a real leader, is staying in Kyiv at great personal risk.

Indeed, in the infancy of the internet we'd have long extended debates dissecting events whether or not they were infact genocide such the Armenian one and now they're tossed around like Johnny Appleseed.

Oh yeah, that Palmetto dude is rooting for tbt Russians and Putin. He can’t wait for Kiev to fall but poor guy is still waiting.

If he’s really Russian or something then makes sense but if he’s American then he’s an unpatriotic and unworthy loser just like the rest backing Putin.

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lol...well, no shite.

I mean, do you think rational people would be pro-Russia in this?

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It's not about being Pro-Russia or Pro-Ukraine, it's about being truthful. The freakouts over people calling out obvious propaganda from both sides is ridiculous.