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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:35 am to ColtRange
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:35 am to ColtRange
Nah, I dislike dishonesty. And I think you are fundamentally dishonest. If you are going to call other people out on their sources and their 'biased' takes, then you should hold yourself to the same standard, shouldn't you?
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Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:48 am to RuLSU
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I’m on my phone but I’ll post some of what I’m seeing later tonight.
I did not, and it looks like I ditched most of my 'these sources are legit' list months ago.
Some of the telegram channels don't even exist, it seems. We all know what happened to Girkin, everyone's favorite doomposting terrorist.
That means the only stuff I'm seeing is telegram posts translated on twitter. Not the best source of info, in all fairness.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:52 am to RuLSU
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I did not, and it looks like I ditched most of my 'these sources are legit' list months ago.
That means the only stuff I'm seeing is telegram posts translated on twitter. Not the best source of info, in all fairness.
No worries
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:53 am to Mr Happy
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Holland will send 42 F-16s to Ukraine.
FIFY
Denmark is sending 19 F-16s to Ukraine. That is total of 41 4th generation fighters to add to its current 99 4th generation fighters. Now if we would just get off out arse and send them some of the recently retired USMC SuperCobra attack helicopters Ukraine might be able to conduct an offensive next year with air support.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:59 am to ColtRange
I guess Lucha had to give into Vlad's demands to get the Wagner thugs out of his country. Lucha finally about to get his lard arse off the sideline and join Russia in launching another "diversion" towards Kyiv.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 10:59 am to WeeWee
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Capturing Robotyne puts Melitopol in HIMARs range of the front.
Irrelevant, IMO!
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Capturing Robotyne also puts Tokmak within range of Ukraine's M777s and other western artillery.
This, however, is the true goal.
Ukraine tried NATO tactics and got lit up.
They've changed tactics to doing what works for them: hit Russian logistics, rely on their artillery range advantage and slowly bleed Russia until their positions are unsustainable.
Tokmak is the Russian rail hub, as I understand it. Ukraine will just utterly decimate Russian rail logistics over the coming weeks, starve Russian forces and try to force another surrender.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:04 am to RuLSU
In the last 24 hours Ukraine has gotten a pledge for 42 F-16 jets.
(And, BTW, some of those will end up with the "foreign legion" and there are plenty of F-16 qualified pilots who can probably start tomorrow)
Ukraine has confirmed they've taken Robotyne.
(And, BTW, some of those will end up with the "foreign legion" and there are plenty of F-16 qualified pilots who can probably start tomorrow)
Ukraine has confirmed they've taken Robotyne.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:08 am to WeeWee
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I guess Lucha had to give into Vlad's demands to get the Wagner thugs out of his country. Lucha finally about to get his lard arse off the sideline and join Russia in launching another "diversion" towards Kyiv.
If Belarus joins the attack, what will Poland do?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:10 am to RuLSU
from Ukrinform...
Officer with call sign "Student", commander of attack drone company of 72nd Brigade
Interview with company commander
excerpt...
- There is talk of alleged resource overruns when drones, the same Mavic, are used as an attack drone.
- Artillery often uses dozens of shells to destroy a single target. With Mavic, we are able to precisely and accurately "open" dugouts, "200s" and "300s" of the enemy, destroying their equipment. That is why it is very unpleasant to hear such talk. You say we are wasting copters? The price of one Mavic is equal to the price of one 155-caliber shell. If you convert the price of a copter into the equivalent of shells, it will be a penny. For example, in June (we had a few Kamikazes and mostly Mavics), we have the following result: twenty-two 200s, fifty-two 300s, and five armored vehicles destroyed. And we spent two dozen Mavics on all of this in one month. We spent 25-30,000 dollars, and this is nothing compared to the amount of enemy and equipment we destroyed, where one unit of destroyed equipment completely covers all our expenses.
Officer with call sign "Student", commander of attack drone company of 72nd Brigade
Interview with company commander
excerpt...
- There is talk of alleged resource overruns when drones, the same Mavic, are used as an attack drone.
- Artillery often uses dozens of shells to destroy a single target. With Mavic, we are able to precisely and accurately "open" dugouts, "200s" and "300s" of the enemy, destroying their equipment. That is why it is very unpleasant to hear such talk. You say we are wasting copters? The price of one Mavic is equal to the price of one 155-caliber shell. If you convert the price of a copter into the equivalent of shells, it will be a penny. For example, in June (we had a few Kamikazes and mostly Mavics), we have the following result: twenty-two 200s, fifty-two 300s, and five armored vehicles destroyed. And we spent two dozen Mavics on all of this in one month. We spent 25-30,000 dollars, and this is nothing compared to the amount of enemy and equipment we destroyed, where one unit of destroyed equipment completely covers all our expenses.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:14 am to RuLSU
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Capturing Robotyne puts Melitopol in HIMARs range of the front.
Irrelevant, IMO!
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Capturing Robotyne also puts Tokmak within range of Ukraine's M777s and other western artillery.
This, however, is the true goal.
Ukraine tried NATO tactics and got lit up.
They've changed tactics to doing what works for them: hit Russian logistics, rely on their artillery range advantage and slowly bleed Russia until their positions are unsustainable.
Tokmak is the Russian rail hub, as I understand it. Ukraine will just utterly decimate Russian rail logistics over the coming weeks, starve Russian forces and try to force another surrender.
How is having the Melitopol which is the key to the land bridge to Crimea in HIMARs range irrelevant? Melitopol is the road and rail hub for supplies coming from Crimea. It was previously out of HIMARs range but is now just within HIMARs range. It is also within range Ground Launched Small Diameter Bombs which should start arriving this fall. Tokmak is the logistics hub for supplies coming from mainland Russia only. Both are important targets. Having a way to strike both means that Ukraine can limit all the Russian supplies to that area of the front.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:31 am to RuLSU
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(And, BTW, some of those will end up with the "foreign legion" and there are plenty of F-16 qualified pilots who can probably start tomorrow)
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Ukraine's Air Force said it will now allow foreigners to serve as pilots and engineering specialists, with a spokesperson stressing the fact that Ukraine will likely need international recruits if and when it starts to receive Western combat aircraft.
Yurii Ihnat, a spokesperson for the commander of Ukraine's air force, said in a statement Thursday that foreign citizens will be able to join if they have suitable military training.
"If they have a military occupation such as a pilot or aviation engineer, then these people can legally become servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," he said.
Ukraine's air force has been accepting foreigners since April. I don't know if any have signed up but I would not be surprised if there were a few Polish pilots who would love the opportunity to get some combat experience against Russia.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:34 am to doubleb
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If Belarus joins the attack, what will Poland do?
Probably nothing. Belarus is covered under the Russian nuclear umbrella. Attacks as a consequence of aggressive action taken by a member unilaterally is not covered under Article V. Unless Belarus attacks part of a NATO nation in the process of attacking Ukraine then Poland will do nothing.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:52 am to WeeWee
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How is having the Melitopol which is the key to the land bridge to Crimea in HIMARs range irrelevant?
I think Meltiopol is too difficult to take now, so I don't think it'll be a focus.
I'm wrong plenty, so don't quote me on that.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 11:52 am to WeeWee
Poland could send troops to Ukraine, no?
Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:11 pm to RuLSU
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I think Meltiopol is too difficult to take now, so I don't think it'll be a focus.
No different than striking the Kerch bridge daily. Supply disruption is what we are talking about.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 1:38 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 8/21/23 at 2:29 pm to doubleb
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Poland could send troops to Ukraine, no?
I think the only thing Ukraine can do at this point is give up half the country to Poland up to Kiev.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 2:34 pm to FIREAWAY
And like clockwork:
"The fact that Denmark has now decided to donate 19 F-16 aircraft to Ukraine leads to an escalation of the conflict," Russian ambassador Vladimir Barbin said in a statement cited by the Ritzau news agency.
The song and dance with these weapon systems really is Groundhog Day from all parties.
"The fact that Denmark has now decided to donate 19 F-16 aircraft to Ukraine leads to an escalation of the conflict," Russian ambassador Vladimir Barbin said in a statement cited by the Ritzau news agency.
The song and dance with these weapon systems really is Groundhog Day from all parties.
Posted on 8/21/23 at 2:37 pm to ned nederlander
yea, sounds like Spring 2022 again
Posted on 8/21/23 at 3:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
Hersh: Antony Blinken “Figured Out US Will Not Win War” After CIA Told Him “Ukraine Offense Not Going to Work”
You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows...
Gateway Pundit
You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows...
Gateway Pundit
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The word was getting to (Blinken) through the Agency that the Ukrainian offense was not going to work. It was a show by Zelensky and there were some in the administration who believed his bullshite,“ Hersh’s source said.
“Blinken wanted to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine as Kissinger did in Paris to end the Vietnam war,” according to the official.
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The governor of Zaporozhye region, Yevgeny Balitsky, claimed “mass desertions” are taking place among Ukrainian conscripts, stating that that approx. 500 Ukrainian soldiers had fled the fighting on the Zaporozhye front. “I just received information that two of the three airmobile battalions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine refused to participate in offensive operations in the direction of our positions due to their low moral and psychological state,” Balitsky wrote on Telegram
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