re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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What makes you convinced those aren’t Ukrainian vehicles?

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Didn't say that. What I'm saying is that all reports from the Robotyne/Verbove area that attempt to be objective are reporting that fighting is intense, both sides are taking losses, but that Ukraine has advanced some 3 km and is now engaging a primary Russian defensive line for the first time.

There basically aren't any of us here who come into the thread bragging about imaginary Russian losses and saying, "Suck it, Commies!"

But plenty of Politards come in here and do exactly that for their side. If Colt wants to defend those trolls, then he deserves to be treated like one, however much he protests that he isn't one.

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There basically aren't any of us here who come into the thread bragging about imaginary Russian losses and saying, "Suck it, Commies!"

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All I do is post the videos that y'all don't, sorry that upsets you so much. I have made zero comments like the ones you just gave an example of.

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If Colt wants to defend those trolls, then he deserves to be treated like one,

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Oh no, are you threatening me with a ban? Let's be honest, you've tried that multiple times already, & mods found nothing wrong in my posts. You first asked for evidence of vehicles being destroyed, so I sent one. Then you said they were probably tractors, so I sent an even clearer one with even more armor getting destroyed. Stop trolling and derailing the thread please.

GOPe_Tiger denying literal video evidence

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Oh no, are you threatening me with a ban?

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No, I just don't see any need to treat your posts with any respect. You consistently insist that you aren't a troll and pretend that you want to have honest dialogue, and then you act like a troll.

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No, silly troll, no one denied video evidence. I'm still waiting for the evidence that Russia destroyed 40 Ukrainian vehicles on the Tokmak axis. I won't get it either, because it didn't happen.

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It’s entirely possible that it happened.

GOP Tiger posts videos from numerous sources, whether or not they look good or bad for either side. Many videos, pictures, maps, etc.

And then some troll comes over from the PB and posts propaganda, swears either the Russians are on the brink of full victory, or could roll over Kiev if they wanted to.

Time after time, the regular contributors to this thread are correct and the PB trolls run away.

And come back after a week.

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hear the Russians like being taken from the rear while in the trenches.

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Idk bout in the rear, but there is the drone video from several months back of ole Ivan getting some sloppy top from Ivan 2 until a vog landed next to them and blew their asses up

Random Tweets

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Some reserves have already been quietly committed in the south, according to Sultan, a commander in the 78th Regiment, a special forces unit, and other soldiers who spoke to the @FinancialTimes near the front line in the southern region of Zaporizhzhia."

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NEW: Zelensky posts video of Ukrainian soldiers saying that they have recaptured the village of Staromaiorske, #Donetsk oblast

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It's extraordinary to see how clearly defined the frontline now is in Ukraine, even when viewed from space at a macro scale.

The grey of the dried up Kakhovka Reservoir followed by a green scar of un-harvested fields where it is too dangerous for agriculture.

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UA forces seems to advanced eastwards several km the last few days in the area of Robotyne. They seem to have reached what appears to be the first prepared anti tank trenches / pyramid barriers.

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And the ProRussian take:
From June 13th:

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All these villages and fields north of the fortifications exist to let RuAF do damage while pulling back - that's literally their only purpose. IMO the next phase will begin around Staromlynovka - RuAF will try to bait AFU into sending in their reserves and overcommit; AFU will have to decide on a general direction for their offensive after passing Staromlynovka & confront the actual Russian defences head-on, 5-10km south of Staromlynovka.

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I think I've been pretty spot on with my analysis six weeks ago. Since then, Ukrainian forces have now managed to push Russian troops out of Staromaiorskoye (yellow circle). The next "phase" of the offensive still won't become strategically relevant until Staromlinovka.

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Good Thread on the current state of affairs:

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A new phase in Ukraine's counteroffensive seems to be underway in the south and east, while Russia is attacking in the north.

In this thread I will take a look at the key events & directions, and explain what the current situation means in the big picture. 1/

Ukrainians are counterattacking in the same directions as before. The most activity is observed near Robotyne and Staromaiorske. A strong push is also happening in the Bakhmut area. At the same time Russia is attacking in multiple directions on the Luhansk-Kharkiv front. 2/

Ukraine has had some success in the south. The AFU is advancing east of Robotyne and in the northern parts of Staromaiorske. According to Russians, AFU has also entered Urozhaine.

While this is good news, we’re still talking about rather limited gains in the big picture. 3/


The situation south of Bakhmut is positive for the Ukrainians. Ukrainians have probably entered Klischiivka, but Russians are still likely holding the northern part of the village. It’s a bit unclear where the furthest line of advance actually is in the area. 4/


Russia is also trying to advance in the Luhansk-Kharkiv front. In the Kreminna sector, Russia has made some gains in the forest areas. The battle of the Serebrianka forestry has been ongoing since last fall, and the Ukrainians are still mostly holding their ground in the area. 5/


East of Svatove, the Russians have likely crossed the Zherebets river. The situation in a couple of villages is unclear, there is conflicting information.

No proof of larger Russian advance in this area has surfaced, despite various claims by pro-Russian channels. 6/


Even though Russia has been able to make some small advances, they seem to be lacking the ability to achieve a proper breakthrough. There is no indication that the Russians have suddenly managed to muster such capabilities. This is a persistent problem for them. 7/

Russia can of course generate a local manpower and artillery superiority, but it still doesn’t mean they can achieve anything of strategic nature in the battlefield. In most areas of the Luhansk-Kharkiv front, I find it difficult to see even remotely realistic strategic goals. 8/

Russian actions in the north of course tie Ukrainian units there, and Ukraine must spend valuable resources to repel the attacks. However, attacking isn’t casualty-free for the Russians either, and It is questionable whether this is a sensible way to use Russian reserves. 9/

Ukrainians are also struggling to make progress. There are some signs of success, but the main hindrances still seem relevant. Russians are prepared, there are extensive fortifications and no immediate lack of manpower seems to threaten their defensive operations. 10/

Ukraine has recently, among other things, concentrated heavily on striking Russian artillery, MRLS and other rear targets. This can lead to positive developments for AFU in the coming weeks, if the defender starts to rapidly lose capabilities they can't properly replace. 11/

Despite some positive signals, Ukraine is still mostly stuck in the first line of Russian defence, even after almost two months of fighting. However, the situation is evolving, so it’s too early to draw final conclusions. Especially the spearhead in Robotyne may be potential. 12/

Both sides are racing to make a breakthrough which would force the other to shift their focus. If Ukraine can't stop the Russians with its local forces and has to divert more of its fresh, western-equipped brigades to north, it will naturally weaken their efforts elsewhere. 13/

The same threat also applies to Russia - if it stubbornly concentrates its actions to the north while the southern flank is getting depleted of reserves and equipment, the Ukrainians can finally achieve significant success and actually exploit the situation for their benefit. 14/

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Ukraine has advanced some 3 km and is now engaging a primary Russian defensive line for the first time.

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