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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/27/23 at 5:08 pm to
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 5:08 pm to
Good update.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 5:09 pm to
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But I’ve watched a lot of videos in this thread. In most cases there is no way to tell who took the video or who’s getting blown up the video other than taking the video’s word for it.


This is a good point, any footage should be treated as suspect on it's own.

Video footage, especially that taken from drones, has largely become the first visual evidence we see and is a fairly simple form to manipulate now. As Tboy already said in response to you, it's a process of looking at footage and then referencing it against other sources along with confirmed movements and geolocation, which as the war has gone on has become faster and faster, but still has some lag time in being added.

Using reliable sources helps in assessing footage, the good ones don't make wild bombastic claims in their tag lines and back the footage up with geo-location if/when available. During my reading of the thread there have been many instances where formerly used sources have fallen by the way side as evidence built up on them using bad information or blatantly manipulated data.

The trolls and instigators in the thread generally use sources with a long history of making wild claims about footage that has no geolocation or context, cherry picking them to get a reaction here rather than inform. If someone wanted to show information confirming Russian success then the thread would likely have no problem with that if was offered at least somewhat objectively and backed up.

Edit: Fixed old brain moment.

This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 6:32 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 5:29 pm to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjMzXy8aiDE

An interesting video on drones at war including one designed to detect and destroy mines.

This is a double edged sword though.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 5:43 pm to
Russians doing Russian things

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1684643816781889536
quote:

??In ????Yakutsk, the world's largest Russian Mi-26 transport helicopter of border guards came too close to a lighting mast with a natural result on video.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:18 pm to
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interesting video on drones at war including one designed to detect and destroy mines.


Scary as hell as a former infantryman. But counterdrone technology will be here before we know it. Directed energy weapons and jamming is my guess.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:28 pm to
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I think I've been pretty spot on with my analysis six weeks ago. Since then, Ukrainian forces have now managed to push Russian troops out of Staromaiorskoye (yellow circle). The next "phase" of the offensive still won't become strategically relevant until Staromlinovka.





Not trying to detract from your great post, but I saw this as soon as I saw the original image - I blame growing up watching "Mr Squiggle"




Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:30 pm to
This technology already exists, really, but necessity had not yet poised itself to force mass production and efficiency.

Probably will end up with entire squads dedicated to anti-drone activity.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:41 pm to
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This technology already exists, really, but necessity had not yet poised itself to force mass production and efficiency. Probably will end up with entire squads dedicated to anti-drone activity.


I’m absolutely positive everything you said is true.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:41 pm to
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Russians doing Russian things


Thanks for finding this, I saw a still of this earlier.

It almost looks like a skit with the guy in the near foreground holding his arms up, the slow chop through the mast, the tail falling off and the slow fall of the mast onto the helicopter at the end.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:15 pm to
Though the assessment is accurate, this is a good example of how far behind traditional media is when offering assessment of the war.

The impact of the Russian defensive positions, and mines in particular, on the Ukraine offensive have been reported and discussed in various online social media networks and discussion boards, including here, for well over a month.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66306150

quote:

The general in charge of Ukraine's stuttering counter-offensive in the south has said Russian defences are making it difficult for military equipment, including Western tanks and armoured vehicles, to move forward.

Gen Oleksandr Tarnavskyi says his forces are struggling to overcome multi-layered minefields and fortified defensive lines.

"That is why most of the tasks have to be performed by troops."

He says Russia's military has displayed "professional qualities" by preventing Ukrainian forces from "advancing quickly".

"I don't underestimate the enemy," he adds.

Latest unconfirmed reports from the US suggest the main thrust of the counter-offensive has begun. The Institute for the Study of War says Ukrainian forces appear to have broken through "certain pre-prepared Russian defensive positions".

But so far there's little evidence that Western supplied tanks and armoured vehicles have been able to tip the balance decisively in Ukraine's favour.

Several Leopard tanks and US Bradley fighting vehicles were damaged or destroyed in the first days of the offensive, near the city of Orikhiv.

Ukraine's 47th Brigade, which had largely been trained and equipped by the West to try to break through Russian lines, were soon stopped in their tracks by mines and then targeted by artillery.

Russia released multiple videos of the incident claiming Ukraine's offensive had already failed. In reality it was an early setback rather than a decisive blow.


Edit: Clarity
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:25 pm to
Interesting article regarding Ukraine's innovation with drones, primarily regarding how they are using AI to thwart Russia EW.

Yes Washington Post, take it as you will.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/26/drones-ai-ukraine-war-innovation/

Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:44 pm to
Now that is o e hilarious arse video! Thank you Winston I needed a laugh! Go put a T-90 against an Abrams or Challenger or Leopard in an open field 1 on 1 and watch what happens. Same for the Bradley and their BMP. You’d have a big bond fire of Russian armor.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:53 pm to
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Go put a T-90 against an Abrams or Challenger or Leopard in an open field 1 on 1 and watch what happens. Same for the Bradley and their BMP. You’d have a big bond fire of Russian armor.


I’d say that if you put a T-90 against an Abrams or Bradley with a well trained and supported American crew you’d have a Russian bonfire. I’m he Ukrainians just aren’t there
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:54 pm to
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Interesting article regarding Ukraine's innovation with drones, primarily regarding how they are using AI to thwart Russia EW.



The one giant positive for the US is we are learning a great deal about drone warfare and where our adversaries are as well as being able to test whatever we wish without a single one landing on US soil.

Owning our hemisphere has its advantages.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:55 pm to
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drones
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using AI


Definitely no chance this could end badly.
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:57 pm to
As long ad our drones are smarter than their drones.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:59 pm to
The military coup in Niger is a significant victory for Wagner -- this kind of thing is why Putin still needs Prigozhin: LINK

Prigozhin:
quote:

"What happened in Niger is the struggle of the people of Niger with the colonialists who tried to keep them in a state that was in Africa hundreds of years ago
?
This is actually gaining independence and getting rid of the colonialists."





Coup supporters waving a Russian flag.



I'm not sure how to follow Prigozhin's logic. Apparently, Niger getting support from its French former colonial power is "colonialism"; but Niger getting support from and becoming dependent on Russia is "freedom."

I'm quite sure that Prigozhin is correct, though, about Wagner's effectiveness in Africa compared to Western peacekeepers. Wagner will go into a village that hosts some rebels and simply kill everyone in the village to ensure that they kill the rebels there. It's like the effectiveness of the Mafia in the loan-collection business.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:04 pm to
Related: Prigozhin met with a Central African Republic official at the hotel he owns in St. Petersburg. Prigozhin is not "in exile" in Belarus.

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This photo shows Prigozhin with Freddy Mathurin Mapouka, CAR Chief of Protocol, at the Trezzini Palace Hotel (Dvorets Trezini) in St. Petersburg, about 25 km from the ExpoForum, where the Russia-Africa Summit began today.


Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:06 pm to
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As long ad our drones are smarter than their drones.


Eh...we sure that's good?
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:07 pm to
Dude must have pictures of Putin. Can’t believe he is still alive.

Russia is strange.
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 8:08 pm
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