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Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:01 am to TheOtherWhiteMeat
This whole situation is quite the favorable wrinkle.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:15 am to urinetrouble
Largne explosion reported i or near the SMD building in Rustov
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:24 am to jefffan
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What will China do
They probably won’t be creating any private military companies.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:26 am to urinetrouble
What, half of Wagner headed toward Moscow, the rest are still at Rostov-on-Don? They've probably picked up 10,000-15,000 troops to fight with them by now. I'm just guessing.
Prig and his men at Rostov are resupplying ammo, arms, and fuel.
Prig has most likely concluded what Putin would do in this event, so he's prepared for it, not a bit of it will catch Wagner off guard.
The question is; can Wagners' FA make the trip? I spent 14 years in the Army, every year with FA, 6 of which I spent in tactical ops. If you're towed arty then it isn't a problem. Self-propelled is another issue, especially with Russian equipment.
I won't get in to tanks because that's not my area, FA is and without proper logistics and maintenance they may not get there unless it's towed.
With all that said Prig may not even want to use FA even if he gets in range.
Either way, bet your arse he knows what Putin and company are planning.
Prig and his men at Rostov are resupplying ammo, arms, and fuel.
Prig has most likely concluded what Putin would do in this event, so he's prepared for it, not a bit of it will catch Wagner off guard.
The question is; can Wagners' FA make the trip? I spent 14 years in the Army, every year with FA, 6 of which I spent in tactical ops. If you're towed arty then it isn't a problem. Self-propelled is another issue, especially with Russian equipment.
I won't get in to tanks because that's not my area, FA is and without proper logistics and maintenance they may not get there unless it's towed.
With all that said Prig may not even want to use FA even if he gets in range.
Either way, bet your arse he knows what Putin and company are planning.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:36 am to jfan244888
This is the thinking from all my guys. Prigo made by Putin through billions of diverted cash was ultimately going to be sacrificed by Putin for everything ie war crimes, Prigo realizes he’s the only logical fall guy he sees his chance about three months ago and starts shitposting about RU MOD and their incompetence willful neglect etc, so he’s all in on essentially a soft coup, test the waters in Rostov oblast if general population and military sides with him he will press on. Putin knows he knows about cancer renal failure and all the rest of his medical issues, so bottom line is this PMC slow coup stuff should be signaling the end of 2-3 things. Either Prigo dies Putin Dies Shogun dies. There is an outside chance two of three people die.
ETA there is a UA person that Prigo trusts BTW.
ETA there is a UA person that Prigo trusts BTW.
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 7:00 am
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:37 am to OutsideObserver
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:40 am to LSUCanFAN
Except this isn't a soft coup, he's all in.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:46 am to TheOtherWhiteMeat
Andrei here is former Russian navy. It's interesting to watch him cope with things go bad for Russia.
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So, Prigozhin Decided To Go For It.
Wagner took control of government buildings in Rostov-On-Don and Prigozhin himself materialized in the Staff of Southern Military District and demands now Shoigu and Gerasimov (in Russian). So, it is a Kornilov Mutiny, of sorts, and now a lot becomes clear about Prigozhin and Wagner. This is getting serious and those people from Wagner who participate in this are now official traitors. I also want to point out Ostashko's description of General Alexeev.
The fact that the appeal of the First Deputy Chief of the Main Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Vladimir Stepanovich Alekseev, appeared on the Web, says a lot. In fact, this is a legendary person. He was behind the planning of many secret operations, the formations of a number of PMCs (including interacting with the Wagners at the dawn of the formation), carried out reconciliation in a number of regions of Syria. Through his line, various private security companies and PMCs sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense. It is possible that earlier he tried behind the scenes to resolve the conflict between Prigogine and Shoigu. That is why Alekseev is now speaking publicly.
7 Hours ago I quipped that he, likely, failed. The reason he failed is because he obviously didn't seriously psychologically profile Prigozhin, especially considering Prigozhin's outright criminal background as a thief and a robber, with two trips to prison for various violent crimes, and this is an extremely important indicator of character, which, as we saw today reared its ugly head of a sheer narcissist and, highly likely, asset. Whose asset, we are yet to learn. I guess Lieutenant General Alexeev has some splainin' to do. And the signs have been there all the time. I guess this was expected having a criminal (gopnik, really) heading some private army which obtained the access to heavy weaponry and now took command of a major Russian city of a key strategic importance and stabbed Russian Armed Forces in the back. This thing was planned by Prigozhin. This is a major failure of some people in MoD and especially among those who have been directly involved in Wagner's activity and contract's signing. In hindsight--this was coming.
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:55 am to cypher
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"The trigger of the Civil War was pulled by Pypa [Putin]. Instead of sending one or two degenerates into retirement, he gave the order to neutralize the most combat-ready unit in Russia. The life of one or two traitors was placed above 25,000 heroes. Who is evil in this conflict is already obvious. The victory will be for PMC "Wagner"
So Wagner is draining the swamp for real.
Is there even a swamp in Moscow? Are they mowing the pasture? Can someone please translate all this into terms I understand? Prig seems kind of like 2016 Coach O trying to take Les’ job but I’m just not sure.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:56 am to Bunk Moreland
Telegram messaging app outages observed in Russian cities – Russian media
"Economichna Pravda" — Saturday, 24 June 2023, 13:41
Telegram, the widely popular messaging app, has been down in various Russian cities, including Moscow and St Petersburg.
Source: Kremlin-aligned news agency TASS
Quote: "The Telegram messenger app has been experiencing outages in various Russian cities, including Moscow, St Petersburg, and Voronezh and Volgograd oblasts. This is based on data from DownRadar, a service for tracking outages," the report said.
"Economichna Pravda" — Saturday, 24 June 2023, 13:41
Telegram, the widely popular messaging app, has been down in various Russian cities, including Moscow and St Petersburg.
Source: Kremlin-aligned news agency TASS
Quote: "The Telegram messenger app has been experiencing outages in various Russian cities, including Moscow, St Petersburg, and Voronezh and Volgograd oblasts. This is based on data from DownRadar, a service for tracking outages," the report said.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:56 am to TheOtherWhiteMeat
On MOD buuuut Putin? Not quite there yet.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:57 am to Stidham8
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This board actually believes Russia is on the brink of a massive civil war. Gotta hand it to them, they eat up the propaganda at every turn.
The real news is the failed counteroffensive.
Still sticking by this Stidham?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:58 am to ned nederlander
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Is there even a swamp in Moscow?
Moscow, like D.C., was built on a swamp.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:04 am to cypher
Visegrád 24
@visegrad24
BREAKING:
Putin’s plane has left Moscow for St. Petersburg.
Looks like he is fleeing from the advancing Wagner Group military column
@visegrad24
BREAKING:
Putin’s plane has left Moscow for St. Petersburg.
Looks like he is fleeing from the advancing Wagner Group military column
Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:07 am to cypher
Finally ending this thing
Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:09 am to Chromdome35
Random tweets
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Civilians in Rostov are bringing food and beverages to Wagner fighters.
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Wagner seems hell-bent on transporting as much heavy equipment to Moscow as possible, including modern MBTs.
At this point, I have only seen Russian forces in Moscow utilizing lighter MRAPs and BTRs.
The fact that they have been able to move hundreds of kilometers with said heavy equipment, over a main highway towards Moscow, should definitely be concerning for the Russian government.
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Traffic on the Moscow River has been temporarily suspended - TASS
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Video of airstrike at the Wagner column at m4 highway earlier today
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??In Rostov, the fighters of the "Wagner" PMC install mine barriers from anti-tank TM-62 landmines.
Video from social networks.
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BREAKING: Explosion reported at the headquarters of the southern military district in Rostov, RT journalist says
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Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) is very interested in footage of checkpoints and vehicles in Moscow, Rostov and Voronezh".
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Mash reports that Wagner PMC soldiers have told people to move away at least two kilometres from the southern military district building in Rostov-on-Don
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An emergency meeting of the United Transitional Cabinet of Belarus led by @Tsihanouskaya has started
The Cabinet plans to approve action in Belarus in connection with the situation in #Russia.
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Trenches are being dug in Moscow and bridges are being mined.
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Russian telegram channel VChK-OGPU says that "Wagner is already in the Lipetsk region"
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Reported footage of Chechen forces on the move in Russia's Rostov region.
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??Full morning of 24 June address by Putin to the nation in regards to the military coup:
"I appeal to the citizens of Russia, to the personnel of the Armed Forces, law enforcement and security services, fighters and commanders currently fighting on their positions, repelling the enemy attacks, doing it heroically.
I spoke to the commanders in all directions last night. I appeal also to those who were deceptively pulled into the criminal adventure, pushed towards a serious crime of an armed mutiny.
Russia today is leading the most difficult war for its future, repelling the aggression of neo-nazis and their handlers. Against us, the whole military, economical and information machines of the West are turned.
We fight for the lives and security of our people. For our sovereignty and independence. The right to remain Russia, a state with 1000 years of history.
It’s a battle where the fate of our people is decided requires uniting of all our forces, unity, consolidation and responsibility. Everything else hat weakens us must be shoved to the side.
Our external enemies are using any arguments to undermine us from within. Thus, actions splitting our unity is a betrayal of our people, our combat brothers who fight now at the frontline. It’s a strike in the back of our country and our people.
Exactly this strike was dealt in 1917 when the country was in WW1, but its victory was stolen. Intrigues, and arguments behind the army’s back turned out to be the greatest catastrophe, destruction of the army and the state, loss of huge territories, resulting in a tragedy and a civil war.
Russians were killing Russians, brothers killing brothers. But the beneficiaries were various political chevaliers of fortune and foreign powers who divided the country, and tore it into parts. We will not let this happen.
We will protect our people and state from any threats, including internal betrayal. What we’re facing is exactly internal betrayal. Extraordinary ambitions and personal interests led to treason. Treason of their own country and people and of the case that fighters of Wagner were dying for alongside our soldiers.
Heroes who liberated Soledar and Artemivsk, towns and cities of the Donbas. They fought and were giving lives to Novorossiya and the unity of the Russian world. Their name and glory were also betrayed by those who are trying to organise the mutiny, pushing the country into anarchy and brother-killing, to a defeat, in the end, and capitulation.
Repeat: any internal mutiny is a deadly threat to our state, to us as a nation. It’s a strike against our nation, our people. And our actions to defend the fatherland from such a threat will be brutal.
Anyone who consciously went on the path of betrayal, who prepared the armed mutiny, went on the path of blackmail and terrorist actions, will take an inevitable punishment.
They will answer to the law and our people. The Armed Forces and other departments were properly instructed. Extra anti-terrorist measures are now being implemented in Moscow, Moscow region, and a number of other regions.
Decisive actions will be taken to stabilise the situation in Rostov-on-Don. It remains difficult. The operation of civilian and military control departments is practically blocked.
As a President of Russia and the Supreme Commander, as a citizen of Russia, I will do everything to defend the country, protect the Constitution, lives and safety, liberty of the citizens.
Those who prepared the military mutiny, who raise weapons against combat brothers, have betrayed Russia, and will pay for this. And those who are being pulled into the crime, I’m asking to not make this crucial, tragic, unrepeatable mistake. Do the one right choice - stop participating in criminal actions.
I believe that we will defend and preserve what’s sacred for us. And together with the motherland, we will overcome all challenges, and become even stronger.
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:10 am to kywildcatfanone
This is nuts.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:14 am to kywildcatfanone
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Finally ending this thing
Who had ‘Wagner led civil war’ on their bingo card?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:19 am to Philzilla
Ukrainian air defense destroys 41 Russian missiles and 2 kamikaze drones
On the night of June 24, the Russian invaders launched 51 missiles and 2 kamikaze drones at Ukraine.
Ukrainian air defense destroyed 41 missiles and all drones.
The Air Force of Ukraine reported about this.
According to the military, on the night of June 24, Russia carried out a missile attack on the territory of Ukraine with air-launched cruise missiles from Tu-95MS, Tu-22M3 bombers, Kalibr missiles and Shahed-136/131 kamikaze drones.
Ukrainian Military Portal
On the night of June 24, the Russian invaders launched 51 missiles and 2 kamikaze drones at Ukraine.
Ukrainian air defense destroyed 41 missiles and all drones.
The Air Force of Ukraine reported about this.
According to the military, on the night of June 24, Russia carried out a missile attack on the territory of Ukraine with air-launched cruise missiles from Tu-95MS, Tu-22M3 bombers, Kalibr missiles and Shahed-136/131 kamikaze drones.
Ukrainian Military Portal
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