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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:05 pm to
The problem is the age old problem that as you take time to file a fully prepared assault they have more time to prepare defenses for said assault and disrupt your preparations.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:20 pm to
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They said it was a fuel depot with old diesel but who really knows. Diesel doesn’t go boom like jet fuel or gas would so I question if that was just diesel. Hopefully it wasn’t anything too vital.


If a tank is mostly empty and the space above is full of vapor, it sure would. it is actually the vapors which burn, not the liquid fuel, whether gasoline, diesel, kerosene (jet) etc... It the fire burns itself out in say an hour or two, then it was pretty much empty to begin with
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:22 pm to
Clearly more than one explosion so if storage tank then a second one exploded too. Doesn't look like fuel to me, new or old
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:25 pm to
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They had several bombers up earlier.


Looks like they hadn't launched yet but up to 7 Tu-95's now approaching launch zone. Possibly in retaliation to the shooting down of Russian aircraft over Bryansk.

Twitter - @olga_pp98

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All 7 aircrafts approaching Saratov.
~1-1.5 hours till arrive to the potential launching zone
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:27 pm to
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Clearly more than one explosion so if storage tank then a second one exploded too. Doesn't look like fuel to me, new or old


What would be more indicative of a fuel based explosion?
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:33 pm to
You’re right about the vapor igniting, I fully adhere to your expertise with oil/fuel but I agree it didn’t look like a fuel explosion to me. There might have been fuel tanks there but they had something else too. The question is what. I’m sure Russia has spies all over Ukraine searching for their new weapons which is why waiting too long to attack is very risky. That being said more NASAMS, IRIS-T, Aspides, etc would be beneficial.
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:58 pm to
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This is the conundrum with waiting to attack. Zelensky wants to get more air defenses and artillery shells as well as armored vehicles but the longer you wait the more time you give Russia to find critical storage areas.


Zelensky's saying that was, if anything, just psyops

They aren't waiting. We are clearly seeing, in Bakhmut, in Luhansk, and today with the downed aircraft in Russia, Ukraine taking steps towards beginning an offensive.

Ukraine had to wait this long for the ground to dry. But it's dry now in most of the front and getting dry in the rest of it.

Today's package from Germany and whatever equipment Meloni promised him today in Italy is going to help create new brigades for the next brigades to be formed that can be ready in 5-6 weeks and provide a reserve strike force. They will be the key to preserving the momentum of this current offensive.

But the units that are going into battle now already have the equipment that they need, and they have trained with it for 5-6 weeks and are ready to fight with it -- they don't need more kit dumped on them at the last minute.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 5:03 pm to
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The problem is the age old problem that as you take time to file a fully prepared assault they have more time to prepare defenses for said assault and disrupt your preparations.


This is true, but ultimately they also have to weigh it against the weather on the ground. Multiple factors to balance
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 5:11 pm to
I agree that I think the time to go for it is now. They have Russia on their heels in several areas it’s time to press the advantage. Hopefully they can make gains and when the Abrams finally get there they can follow it up and reinforce the initial strike groups. I have no sources or anything like that but I have a feeling there will be more Abrams going than the 31 promised, just like Britain did sending 18 Challengers instead of the 14 promised. We have enough of the older M1A1s that we could send without degrading our own capabilities. I think the Bradleys, Marders and other IFVs are going to play a more vital role in the offensive than the actual tanks will.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 5:30 pm to
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I have no sources or anything like that but I have a feeling there will be more Abrams going than the 31 promised, just like Britain did sending 18 Challengers instead of the 14 promised. We have enough of the older M1A1s that we could send without degrading our own capabilities. I think the Bradleys, Marders and other IFVs are going to play a more vital role in the offensive than the actual tanks will.


The difference is that the UK wants Ukraine to win, and the Biden administration only wants Russia to stop attacking and sue for peace.

And I agree with you on the last part, too. On a per dollar basis, more Bradleys would be a bigger help to Ukraine than more Abrams.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 5:38 pm to
More from the Teixeira leaks -- looks like a nothingburger to me, but interesting, I suppose.


Washington Post

Zelensky, in private, plots bold attacks inside Russia, leak shows

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has won the trust of Western governments by refusing to use the weapons they provide for attacks inside Russia and prioritizing the targeting of Russian forces inside Ukraine’s borders.

But behind closed doors, Ukraine’s leader has proposed going in a more audacious direction — occupying Russian villages to gain leverage over Moscow, bombing a pipeline that transfers Russian oil to Hungary, a NATO member, and privately pining for long-range missiles to hit targets inside Russia’s borders, according to classified U.S. intelligence documents detailing his internal communications with top aides and military leaders.

The documents, which have not been previously disclosed, are part of a broader leak of U.S. secrets circulated on the Discord messaging platform and obtained by The Washington Post. They reveal a leader with aggressive instincts that sharply contrast with his public-facing image as the calm and stoic statesman weathering Russia’s brutal onslaught. The insights were gleaned through intercepted digital communications, providing a rare look at Zelensky’s deliberations amid Russian missile barrages, infrastructure attacks and war crimes.
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In a meeting in late January, Zelensky suggested Ukraine “conduct strikes in Russia” while moving Ukrainian ground troops into enemy territory to “occupy unspecified Russian border cities,” according to one document labeled “top secret.” The goal would be “to give Kyiv leverage in talks with Moscow,” the document said.

In a separate meeting in late February with Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top military commander, Zelensky “expressed concern” that “Ukraine does not have long-range missiles capable of reaching Russian troop deployments in Russia nor anything with which to attack them.” Zelensky then “suggested that Ukraine attack unspecified deployment locations in Rostov,” a region in western Russia, using drones instead, according to another classified document.

In a meeting in mid-February with Deputy Prime Minister Yuliya Svrydenko, Zelensky suggested Ukraine “blow up” the Soviet-built Druzhba pipeline that provides oil to Hungary. “Zelenskyy highlighted that … Ukraine should just blow up the pipeline and destroy likely Hungarian [Prime Minister] Viktor Orban’s industry, which is based heavily on Russian oil,” the document says.

In detailing the conversation, intelligence officials concede that Zelensky was “expressing rage toward Hungary and therefore could be making hyperbolic, meaningless threats,” a qualification that does not accompany the other accounts of Zelensky suggesting bold military action. Though Hungary is nominally part of the Western alliance, Orban is widely considered Europe’s most Kremlin-friendly leader.
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The Biden administration says Zelensky’s intercepted comments are not the cause for withholding ATACMS.

“Ukraine has repeatedly committed to employ U.S.-provided weapons responsibly and strategically when needed to counter Russian aggression, and we are confident that will continue to be the case,” said a U.S. defense official who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic.

Since last year, Zelensky has promised that Ukraine would never use U.S. weapons to strike inside Russia, a pledge the White House says he has fulfilled.

“President Zelensky has kept the promises he has made to President Biden, and we do not believe that that will change,” said a senior administration official.

One reason for not providing the long-range missiles is the “relatively few ATACMS” the United States has for its own defense needs, Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Defense One in March.

Zelensky, however, said he believes the United States isn’t sending the weapons because it doesn’t trust Kyiv.

“I think they are afraid that we might use them on the territory of Russia,” Zelensky told The Post. “But I would always tell our partners … ‘We have a priority target for which we are spending the ammunition packages we receive, and we spend it on the deoccupation of purely Ukrainian territories,’” he said.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 5:50 pm to
I'm no detonation expert though I've been involved with a few implosions. The prep work for those takes weeks to months
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 5:54 pm to
Has Russia stripped troops from elsewhere to reinforce the Bakhmut area? If so time to go is now where least defended
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 6:03 pm to
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Has Russia stripped troops from elsewhere to reinforce the Bakhmut area?


If so, not enough to stop Ukrainian advances on Bakhmut's flanks: LINK

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Ukrainian counterattacks in the Bakhmut area have continued, and geolocated footage confirms that gains have been made. Ukraine has unblocked the Khromove road and is continuing forward. In the south, Russians have been pushed further from Ivanivske.
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In the Klischiivka area, things are starting to get difficult for the Russians. They still most likely hold parts of the forest southwest of Ivanivske, but the ability to supply it is getting continuously weaker. It is unclear if they have any presence left west of the canal.

If the Ukrainians are able to cross the canal near the supply line, the spearhead lurking in the forest will most likely fall, as the Russians are forced to either retreat or face encirclement. This would mean the last potential threat to the road T0504 would be eliminated.
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Ukrainians have made more gains in two days than Russians have in many weeks. However, these are still local and tactical successes, and the general situation has not changed significantly. No villages have been liberated, and the Ukrainians must fight for every field.

There have also been counterattacks in multiple areas in the Donetsk oblast, but with very limited gains. These are most likely probing attacks, as Ukraine is shaping the battlefield for future operations - both at the frontlines and in the rear. Larger operations will follow.


If and when Ukraine takes Klischiivka, that's when things start to get dicey for Wagner inside Bakhmut. Until then, what Ukraine has done is mainly about relieving pressure on its supply lines and routes in and out of the city -- nothing that Ukraine has done yet significantly changes what's happening in the city itself.
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 6:04 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 6:08 pm to
People attacked ISW for saying the Ukraine had a presence on the left bank of the Dnipro, across from Kherson.

Today, ISW brought some receipts. Videos at: LINK

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Drone footage posted on May 13 reportedly shows Ukrainian servicemen without service weapons nonchalantly walking around Dachi on the Kherson Dnipro Delta.

The Ukrainian troops' relaxed behavior suggests that they are likely not in contact with Russian forces forces or at significant risk of contact with Russian forces.

The behavior indicates the Ukrainians here are not on a reconnaissance or raid mission.

The Russian milblogger who posted this footage explicitly complains about various Russian actors who who have denied that the Ukrainians have established some lasting presence near the left bank.

This footage supports @TheStudyofWar's assessment (based off of imagery and many Russian military bloggers' reports) that Ukrainian forces have established an enduring presence in Dachi close to the left bank of Kherson.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 6:45 pm to
Been gone all day.

So the two hits by Russia on Ternopil and Khmelnytsky...what is the word on these?
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1657493211609280512
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Ternopil has been hit by Russian missiles, but it is also a barrage of disinformation by Pro-Russian accounts using footage of a fire from early this year in Iran. I have added a picture from my reporting back in January. It is obviously the same fire.


https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1657485723291844608?s=20
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According to information, the value of the ammunition destroyed in the Khmelnytsky ammunition depot is about 500 million dollars.
Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 6:50 pm to
$500 million is a shite load of ammunition. Hard to believe they would store that much in one location.
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:01 pm to
Both of these locations are in western Ukraine, how are missiles penetrating that deep? Are they coming in from the sea or Belarus?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:05 pm to
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According to information, the value of the ammunition destroyed in the Khmelnytsky ammunition depot is about 500 million dollars.


Not hard to figure out from which orifice Spriter pulled that information.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:39 pm to
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So the two hits by Russia on Ternopil and Khmelnytsky...what is the word on these?



Ternopil was hit but there is a lot of false media being used regarding it that is from Iran in January and a very poor photo with visual references pixelated out, I have found a few reports of a non residential building being hit that seem somewhat more solid but nothing concrete.

I also found this article on a new Twitter account so I don't know how historically they have been at reliability but they are supporting the old rocket fuel story in Khmelnytsky that has also been claimed, apparently with from personal experience.

Twitter @ DecodingTrolls

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??Russia is purposefully hitting Soviet-era spent rocket fuel storage facilities (like Pavlohrad, Dnipro Yushmesh, and Khemil) across Ukraine. I've visited these facilities and they are NOT ammo dumps or legitimate targets.

Russian disinfolklorists and their useful idiots blame Ukraine for "storing ammo where Russia can hit it." This is an amnesty-esque blame the victim troll. Hitting these facilities is a war crime.

Ukraine supporters should not be promoting trolls by War Criminals.

The whole purpose of Russia hitting these sites is a. to cause environmental catastrophe and b. to provide content for social media posts.






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It's not "ammo"
@Rebel44CZ
m. It's Soviet-era spent rocket fuel. US helped Ukraine get rid of some of it. However, it's in several sites across Ukraine (I visited the Pavlohrad site in 2020 to discuss disposing it). Russia is purposefully hitting these storage sites to cause a catastrophe.


Would such material cause this sort of blast? Others have commented that it is not a fuel based explosion, nor does it resemble a ammo dump that we have seen before with multiple vectors as ammunition cooks off.

Edit: Fixed broken link and yes I replied to the wrong post.
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 7:45 pm
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