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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/29/23 at 10:22 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 10:22 am to
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It makes me wonder how much fuel the UA has stockpiled for an offensive. I don’t see a lot of talk about logistics, but no offensive is going to go very far if they don’t have the fuel to support it.


My best guess is stored like for Desert Storm, plus they have active operating rail, unlike Desert Storm.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 10:34 am to


Amateur hour. This Governor doesn’t even know he’s supposed to roll up his sleeves when touring a disaster for the cameras. Russian leadership has a lot to learn about crisis management.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 11:53 am to
It's out now. The fire wasn't extinguished; it simply burned up all the fuel in all the tanks.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 1:54 pm to


I'm sure that we'll have some more Politards in here soon, telling us yet again that Ukrainians are Nazis, because some Ukrainian using a symbol that looks something like a Nazi symbol proves that someone is a Nazi, while a Rusian public official comparing an entire people to stinky rats is just normal.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 1:58 pm to
The Poles hate the Nazis. They also hate the Russians. The fact they are so heavily involved in helping Ukraine should tell you everything you need to know.
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 2:20 pm to
Dimity must be on payroll of CIA, great job bro. You made my old friends job at the agency so much easier
Posted by FlintEastwood
Member since Apr 2023
74 posts
Posted on 4/29/23 at 3:48 pm to
Didn't see this posted here or on any western news channels. Nothing new though, it's only been happening for 9 years.



Posted by FlintEastwood
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 4:01 pm to
The Russian state TV channel released footage from Uman of the alleged Ukrainian shelling of Donbas
KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO — Saturday, 29 April 2023, 20:14

The Russian state TV channel "Russia 1" released video footage of a high-rise building destroyed by a Russian missile in Uman, Cherkasy Oblast, as the alleged shelling of the occupied Donbas by the Ukrainian army.

Source: Radio Svoboda and Voice of America project "Nastoyashchee Vremia."

Ukrainska Pravda

Absolutely shameless - Russian state TV used images of this week’s missile strike on a block of flats in Ukraine’s Uman which killed 23 civilians to illustrate the "shelling of Donbas by Ukrainian militants"

Twitter
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 4:23 pm
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 4:15 pm to
he should be standing with russia!
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 4:51 pm to
Unfortunately, according to this thread they claim it to be a civilian facility rather than a military one located in the south western Kozacha Bay as opposed to the main fleet storage further up river from Sevastopol naval base in Sevastopol bay proper.

Twitter - @The_Lookout_N

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To some of you commenting, above I say nothing about this being a legitimate target, or not. I gave an assessment on the impact of the strike on Black Sea Fleet operations.

The main naval fuel depot is located in the east end of Sevastopol Bay, near Inkerman.


This image from the thread claims to show the naval storage which makes sense for it to be closer to the naval base and more protected. The storage tanks look to be far more spread out, most likely to prevent multiple tanks going up from a single hit

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However several thread commenters claim the Kozacha facility is a feeder facility for the naval one, while others claim Russia has said it will have no impact on civilian supply according to the Crimean governor.

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On the contrary. russian authorities assured the civilians that it will not affect gas supply for civilians, since the oil depot WAS NOT used for civilian purposes.

It was a military target.


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The tank farm that was hit is the primary supplier to that tank farm. To call it civilian is a bit of a stretch. Tankers unload at the tank farm that was hit, it stored there, then railed over to the black sea fleet depot when the depot needs to be refilled.


Larger map showing the storage locations compared to one another.



Either way, civilian or military it is going to have an impact if what Twitter - @Tendar claims is true, the red crosses are destroyed and the yellow ones have suffered heavy damage in the below image. They also conclude that the facility is likely a complete loss due to the interlinkage of the facility and thermal damage. CitizenK would probably have the best idea regarding this.




The challenge as I see it is for Ukraine to keep hitting this sort of target to increase pressure on Russian logistics and undermine public confidence in the party line when they make highly doubtful claims about such strikes "not effecting anything".

Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 5:17 pm to
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Yes, sorry. Don't know how the signals got crossed. You are one of the best on here at vetting sources, and that does take effort.


All good, it happens.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 6:17 pm to
There is no refinery there, just a tank farm which would likely have a flare or two for safety. Interesting that on Google Maps I don't see any rail so 100% supplied by ship. Likely use bunker barges to refuel ships in the area.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 6:32 pm to
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Unfortunately, according to this thread they claim it to be a civilian facility rather than a military one located in the south western Kozacha Bay as opposed to the main fleet storage further up river from Sevastopol naval base in Sevastopol bay proper.


The tank farm hit would supply ships via bunker barge. The "Naval" fuel depot appears to be for ships at dock. I didn't see any rail at the tank depot that was hit. Tjhe Navy Depot has 5 each what appears to be 400,000 BBL tanks which have side spacing. At least one could be for other than fuel.

Edit: Now I see the rail to the civilian terminal. I see no ship dock nearby, so must be brought in via rail and shipped via barge with one dock on a breakwater to the harbor entrance. That is a lot of storage to be supplied via rail. A unit train of 100 cars is only 65,000 BBLS compared to a few dozen 400,000 BBL storage tanks
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 6:41 pm
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5047 posts
Posted on 4/29/23 at 6:36 pm to
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I love the smell of burning bunker fuel in the morning.
Are we sure that isn't the Kuznetsov returning to port?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:13 pm to
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Edit: Now I see the rail to the civilian terminal.


What do you make of the structure that extends into the sea? Are those pipelines running up to and along it?



Google map
Posted by lostinbr
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 7:25 pm to
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What do you make of the structure that extends into the sea? Are those pipelines running up to and along it?

That is a ship dock for loading/offloading.

ETA: There would be piping running out there. You can clearly see a pipe rack with transfer lines on land in your screenshot but they aren’t visible on the actual dock. They may be routed beneath the pavement or something.
This post was edited on 4/29/23 at 7:32 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 4/29/23 at 8:16 pm to
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What do you make of the structure that extends into the sea? Are those pipelines running up to and along it?


Look at the entire entrance to the bay. That's a breakwater to keep storms waves from entering the bay/port.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 4/29/23 at 9:43 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin threatened to withdraw Wagner forces from Bakhmut if the Russian military command fails to provide more ammunition to Wagner mercenaries.

Prigozhin also continued his efforts to convince the Kremlin to go over to the defensive in eastern Ukraine.

Prigozhin offered the position of First Deputy Commander of Wagner forces, possibly sarcastically, to former Russian Deputy Defense Minister for Logistics Colonel General Mikhail Mizintsev who was reportedly dismissed from his position on April 27.

Ukrainian forces attacked an oil storage facility in Sevastopol reportedly with a wave of Mugin-5 UAVs on April 29.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks on the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces made limited gains in Bakhmut and continued ground attacks along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Russian forces conducted a sea-based missile strike against the command post of the Ukrainian Kherson Group of Forces. Ukrainian officials have so far not confirmed this claim.

The Russian MoD continues to pursue measures to expedite the conscription process and increase the difficulty of evading summonses.

Russian occupation authorities and border area officials have expanded security measures and filtration efforts likely in anticipation of increased Ukrainian partisan activity in support of a potential Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 4/29/23 at 10:54 pm to
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That is a ship dock for loading/offloading


More for unloading. At about 65,000 BBLS per Unit Train (100 cars all the same commodity), which would move cargo around the peninsula rather than for loading ships. There are no refineries around, so a fuels depot, with smaller tankers bringing products likely from Novorossiysk, where a refinery for exports exists and only terminal of Russia's on the Black Sea. However there are production platforms in the Black Sea, occupied by the Orcs since 2014, mostly natural gas.
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