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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/8/23 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 4:21 pm to
Gotta find a way to overcome the trained dolphins:

Posted by LSUPilot07
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 4:31 pm to
Those damn dolphins……
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 4:48 pm to
NY Times:

Ukraine Says Russia Is Preparing to Evacuate Civilians From Occupied Areas of South

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The Russian occupation authorities are preparing to evacuate civilians from territory that Moscow controls in southern Ukraine before a potential counteroffensive by Ukrainian forces, the Ukrainian military said on Saturday.

Ukraine is widely expected to launch a counteroffensive in the coming weeks to recapture territory from Russian forces, aided by an influx of sophisticated weapons from its Western allies. Although the Ukrainian authorities have said that the precise location of that push remains a closely guarded secret, military analysts and some Ukrainian officials have said that it could focus on the south of the country.

On Saturday, the Ukrainian military’s General Staff said that the Russian authorities were encouraging Ukrainian citizens in occupied parts of the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions of southern Ukraine to get Russian passports and then move south to the Crimean Peninsula.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 4:52 pm to
LINK

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Zelensky: Poland to send 200 Rosomak infantry vehicles to Ukraine.

Poland will provide Ukraine with 200 Rosomak infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and half of them will arrive in the nearest future, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on April 8.


The order keeps growing. It was first 100 of these amphibious IFVs, then 150, and now 200. It's clear that Ukraine wants a real capability to conduct an assault across the Dnipro.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:08 pm to
@SmartUACat is concerned that Russia is going to renew its offensive in the northeast.

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While everybody keeps talking about Bakhmut...

The biggest accumulation of forces is near Kreminna now. Followed by Svatove.

In Kreminna russians have gathered >550 pcs of armored equipment. In Svatove ~450 pcs, doubling the number in just 1 week. 1/3 of those are tanks.

While everybody keeps talking about russians running low on equipment...

They're preparing for further offensives with a clear aim to liquidate Siversk bridgehead and push our forces back to Oskil river.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:13 pm to
Shashank Joshi of the Economist:

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Slides have important USG assessment of Chinese calculus on military aid to Russia: says Beijing would most likely increase scope/scale of materiel sent to Russia if Ukraine "hit a location of high strategic value or" or senior Russian leaders. Puts Jan/Feb intel in perspective.


This supports my belief that Biden and Xi have "an understanding" about where China's red lines are
Posted by IAmNERD
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:18 pm to
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jeffsdad

frick you, thread police. Your only contribution to this thread is telling people to go to the poliboard.

If someone is spouting untrue BS, I'll call them out and there isn't anything you can do to make me stop other than punch your RA button. So go for it.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:44 pm to
or he listens to those sources (UKR and RUS) that are consistent, reasonable and not given to hyperbole. Like many here claim to do.

Like i said, he favors UKR but is pessimistic and leans towards those sources...

I think he is overly pessimistic but the next several months will be revealing...

Posted by ned nederlander
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:50 pm to
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The order keeps growing. It was first 100 of these amphibious IFVs, then 150, and now 200. It's clear that Ukraine wants a real capability to conduct an assault across the Dnipro.


If they could pull it off, the advantages they would have seem huge. Ukraine would be attacking the the least dense portion of the front and at the further steps points from Russian supply lines.
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:19 pm to
Ok, "truth" police.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:28 pm to
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The order keeps growing. It was first 100 of these amphibious IFVs, then 150, and now 200. It's clear that Ukraine wants a real capability to conduct an assault across the Dnipro.


Unless they can go a bit faster than put putting across a wide river. I doubt it. Plus, flood gates from the dam could be make the current a bit swift for them. There have been many bridges blown, across small rivers, which seems more likely where they would be very useful.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:28 pm to
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The order keeps growing. It was first 100 of these amphibious IFVs, then 150, and now 200. It's clear that Ukraine wants a real capability to conduct an assault across the Dnipro.


Unless they can go a bit faster than put putting across a wide river. I doubt it. Plus, flood gates from the dam could be make the current a bit swift for them. There have been many bridges blown, across small rivers, which seems more likely where they would be very useful.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:26 pm to
Washington Post on the exploding leak scandal:


Panic in the Pentagon

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Senior Pentagon leadership restricted the flow of intelligence Friday in response to the revelations, two U.S. officials said. One described the clampdown as unusually strict and said it revealed a high level of panic among Pentagon leadership.

A European intelligence official worried that if Washington restricts allies’ access to future intelligence reports, it could leave them in the dark. Many of the leaked documents are labeled “NOFORN,” meaning they cannot be released to foreign nationals. But others were cleared to be shared with close U.S. allies, including the Five Eyes alliance of the United States, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. U.S. intelligence about British and Canadian activities is contained in some of the documents, suggesting that the fallout from the leaks will not be limited to the United States.

“We need to manage this well both internally and externally,” a second defense official said. “There are lot of institutions and agencies involved.”


On the intelligence we are providing to Ukraine

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The documents primarily concern the war in Ukraine and demonstrate how the United States is making assessments about the state of the conflict and where it’s headed. That analysis informs major policy decisions by the Biden administration, including what weapons to provide Ukraine and how to respond to Russia’s battlefield strategy.

For instance, a Feb. 23 overview of fighting in Ukraine’s Donbas region forecasts a “grinding campaign of attrition” by Russia that “is likely heading toward a stalemate, thwarting Moscow’s goal to capture the entire region in 2023.”

That confident statement, which is printed in boldface type, is supported by information obtained from “NRO-collected and commercial imagery,” a new generation of infrared satellites, signals intelligence and “liaison reporting,” a reference to intelligence from a friendly government, about the high rate of Russian artillery fire, mounting troop losses and the military’s inability to make significant territorial gains over the past seven months.

The fact that the United States bases its assessments on many sources is no secret. But U.S. officials said these more detailed disclosures could help Moscow thwart some avenues for collecting information. For example, the Feb. 23 battlefield document names one of its sources as “LAPIS time-series video.” Officials familiar with the technology described it as an advanced satellite system that allows for better imaging of objects on the ground and that could now be more susceptible to Russian jamming or interference. They indicated that LAPIS was among the more closely guarded capabilities in the U.S. intelligence arsenal.

The documents also demonstrate what has long been understood but never publicly spelled out this precisely: The U.S. intelligence community has penetrated the Russian military and its commanders so deeply that it can warn Ukraine in advance of attacks and reliably assess the strengths and weaknesses of Russian forces.

A single page in the leaked trove reveals that the U.S. intelligence community knew the Russian Ministry of Defense had transmitted plans to strike Ukrainian troop positions in two locations on a certain date in February and that Russian military planners were preparing strikes on a dozen energy facilities and an equal number of bridges in Ukraine.

The documents reveal that U.S. intelligence agencies are also aware of internal planning by the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency. One document describes the GRU planning a propaganda campaign in African countries with the goal of turning public support against leaders who support assistance to Ukraine and discrediting the United States and France, in particular. The Russian campaign, the report states, would try to plant stories in African media, including ones that tried to discredit Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelensky.


Though the leaks are prompting panic in the Pentagon, I am sure that they are prompting equal panic in the Kremlin. They have no secrets that they can keep from us, and they know it.



On Washington's relationship with Ukrainian leaders:

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A senior Ukrainian official on Saturday said the leaks had angered Kyiv’s military and political leaders, who have sought to conceal from the Kremlin vulnerabilities related to ammunition shortages and other battlefield data. The official said he was also concerned that more revelations of classified military intelligence were forthcoming.


This is unquestionably going to restrict what Ukraine's leaders share with us. Would you trust the US now if you were them?



On other diplomatic fallout:

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In the meantime, some of the now public intelligence could ignite diplomatic controversies.

The documents show that the United States has gained access to the internal plans of Russia’s notorious Wagner Group, a private military contractor that has supplied forces to Russia’s war effort, and that Wagner has sought to purchase arms from Turkey, a NATO ally.

In early February, Wagner personnel “met with Turkish contacts to purchase weapons and equipment from Turkey for Vagner’s efforts in Mali and Ukraine,” one report states, using a variation on the spelling of the group’s name. The report further states that Mali’s interim president, Assimi Goïta, “had confirmed that Mali could acquire weapons from Turkey on Vagner’s behalf.”

It’s unclear from the report what the Turkish government may have known about the efforts by Wagner or if they proved fruitful. But the revelation that a NATO ally may have been assisting Russia in its war on Ukraine could prove explosive, particularly as Turkey has sought to block the addition of Sweden into the ranks of the trans-Atlantic military alliance.

A spokesperson for the Turkish government declined to comment. Mali’s Embassy in Washington didn’t respond to a request for comment.


I hope so badly that Erdogan loses that election. It would help the US, and the world, in so many ways. He's such a scumbag. Don't forget that, when ISIS ruled northwest Syria, Erdogan's own brother was one of the biggest dealers of smuggled oil out of the area.



On MrLucca's identity:

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The original source of the leak remains unclear. The Post identified the user that shared the images in February and March who, according to a review of previous social media posts, is based in southern California. A Twitter account using the same handle and avatar image as the Discord account wrote on Friday they had “found some info from a now banned server and passed it on.”

A man who answered the door at a house registered to the Discord user’s father on Friday evening declined to comment. “I’m not talking to anyone,” he said, closing the door of the family’s home at the edge of a cul-de-sac.

About three miles away, at a townhouse registered to the user’s mother, a knock at the door went unanswered. The parents did not respond to calls or messages.


The fact that MrLucca is either a teenager or a very young man in Southern California lends credence to his claim that he found the documents on another (now deleted) Discord server. It means that it may be considerably harder to try down the origin of the leak.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:37 pm to
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The fact that MrLucca is either a teenager or a very young man in Southern California lends credence to his claim that he found the documents on another (now deleted) Discord server. It means that it may be considerably harder to try down the origin of the leak.


Buying or Selling on him currently being waterboarded to find out.

I'm buying
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 7:38 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:39 pm to
It’s good that they are getting more and more armored vehicles but they also aren’t doing themselves any favors getting them blown to hell trying to resupply Bakhmut. The Russians have brought more artillery to Ukraine’s main route if supply making it unusable now so they are supplying through fields. There’s video of a Russian drone above an absolutely slaughtered Ukrainian supply convoy led by 1 single t-64 but also with several Humvees and MRAPS that the Russians completely destroyed with what looks like an air strike or one hell of a zoned in artillery barrage. I just don’t think the benefit/cost is worth it now. Better to pull all your resources back and regroup for the counter attack. The Russians are too worn out to push too hard right now so you could still hold the line but it’s just time to go now. That city was held for 9 months but the lives of the men are more important and needed more than Russia’s. Let Russia look like idiots planting their flag over the rubble of a dead city that no long exists and brainwash their people that it is some huge victory. I’ll link the video of the supply column that was destroyed from Denys Davydov’s YouTube channel. Starts around 3:45 if the video.

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:46 pm to
The biggest question, of course, is who originally uploaded the original documents and why.

Again, according to @AricToler,

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Lucca apparently got these leaked files from another poster on a Discord server called "Thug Shaker Central" (not joking). He then reposted them on the WowMao server. The leaked files went back at least to January of this year.


[Edited because this turned out to be wrong. See my next post below.]

I am now perhaps getting a bit away from the point of this thread, so I'll stop with these posts on the leak, which is really taking on a life of its own.

But the questions loom: is the original leak of these documents the result of a Russian mole? Did the Russians get these documents a month ago, or are they just finding out about them now?
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 8:32 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:48 pm to
isw

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Ukrainian and Russian sources discussed the decreased rate of Russian offensive operations along the entire frontline on April 8, supporting ISW’s assessment that the overall Russian offensive is approaching culmination.[1] Council of Reservists of the Ukrainian Ground Forces Head Ivan Tymochko reported on April 8 that Russian forces are fighting along the entire frontline, but that Russian offensive potential continues to decline and that current Russian attacks are focused on distracting and dispersing Ukrainian troops in anticipation of counteroffensive operations


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The dynamics of battlefield artillery usage in Ukraine reflect the fact that Russian forces are using artillery to offset their degraded offensive capabilities. Former Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Security Minister and current Vostok Battalion commander Alexander Khodakovsky reported that the Russian command has decided to stop the daily issue of ammunition to areas of the front where there are no active offensive operations almost entirely.[7] Khodakovsky noted that the artillery shortage on the frontline results in part from preparations for a Ukrainian counteroffensive.[8] Khodakovsky’s statement indicates that the Russian command must prioritize artillery ammunition supplies rigorously due to shortages. High demand for shells indicates that Russian forces are still heavily relying on artillery to offset key shortcomings in combat capability, including poor Russian targeting skills, insufficient ground assault capabilities, and inadequate availability of airpower in Ukraine


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Former Russian officer and ardent nationalist Igor Girkin launched a new effort likely aimed at protecting the influence of the Russian pro-war faction within the Kremlin. Girkin formed the “Club of Angry Patriots” social movement along with seven prominent proxy and ultranationalist figures on April 1 seeking to help Russia to win the war and avoid an internal conflict within Russia.[10] Members of the club stated that Russia will imminently face defeat in Ukraine and may experience a pro-Western coup or civil war if Moscow does not drastically improve the situation on the frontlines. The members claimed that Russian officials are unable to improve the war effort and its effects on Russian society because most Kremlin officials belong to an anti-war faction. The anti-war faction reportedly advocates for a peace settlement with the West to regain access to its oversees wealth and is not actively attempting to improve the war effort – not out of a fundamental disagreement with war aims or genuine desire for peace

Girkin’s movement is already reportedly facing resistance from Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin. A Russian milblogger claimed Pushilin ordered DNR officials to spread rumors about the “Club of Angry Patriots,” claiming bizarrely that the movement is preparing a pro-Western coup


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The “Club of Angry Patriot’s” creation may offer several important insights into Kremlin dynamics and the danger to Putin’s regime elements within his inner circle fear. ISW previously reported that successful Ukrainian counteroffensives in Kharkiv Oblast and Lyman in September-October 2022 exposed a rift between the Kremlin’s anti-war and pro-war factions.[14] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin also made similar remarks about the schisms among Kremlin officials.[15] The club’s preoccupation with the anti-war faction may indicate that the rift within the Kremlin deepened during the failed Russian winter offensive campaign or ahead of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. The concern over the expansion of the anti-war faction may also indicate that there is concern that Putin may be driven to accept a peace settlement by the threat of replacement.


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Girkin may be advancing political goals of unnamed figures within Russian power structures, possibly within the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB). Girkin has been ruthlessly criticizing Putin throughout the war, and it is likely that he is receiving some protection from a silovik. Russian independent outlet The Insider and Bellingcat have previously reported that Girkin had been consistently using passports under fictitious names that he received from the FSB


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Russian nationalists seized on assassinated Russian milblogger Maxim Fomin’s (also known as Vladlen Tatarsky) funeral to promote pro-war narratives. Footage from Fomin’s funeral at Troekurovsky Cemetery in Moscow shows hundreds to thousands of people in attendance including Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin and Russian Liberal Democratic Party Leader Leonid Slutsky


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Russia’s missile campaign to degrade Ukraine’s unified energy infrastructure has failed definitively, and Russia appears to have abandoned the effort. Ukrainian Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko announced on April 8 that Ukraine is resuming energy exports for the first time since October 11, 2022.[24] Russian authorities began efforts in October to degrade Ukrainian energy infrastructure to a significant extent by the end of winter, which Russians consider March 1;[25] however, the series of large-scale Russian missile strikes on energy infrastructure failed to achieve the assessed Russian aims of causing a humanitarian disaster, weakening Ukrainian military capabilities, and forcing Ukraine to negotiate. State-run Russian media acknowledged this failure on March 1


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The Kremlin is likely intensifying legal punishments for terrorism-related crimes as part of a larger effort to promote self-censorship and establish legal conditions for intensified domestic repressions. Duma Chairman of the Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption Vasily Piskarev stated on April 7 that the State Duma has introduced amendments to increase prison terms for committing acts of terrorism, assistance to terrorist activities or organizations or participation in a terrorist community, sabotage, and acts of international terrorism.[29] Russian President Vladimir Putin also recently signed two bills expanding legal punishment for the discreditation of all Russian personnel fighting in Ukraine and for the misappropriation of Russian military assets, likely to promote sell-censorship and facilitate crackdowns on anti-war dissent.

Russian authorities are likely planning to further expand what they deem to be terroristic and extremist affiliations to encourage self-censorship. Duma Deputy Head of the Committee on Information Policy Oleg Matveichev stated on April 4 that he has prepared a bill to recognize feminism as an extremist ideology and argued that feminists overwhelmingly oppose the “military operation” in Ukraine.[33] Matveichev argued that Ukrainian feminism consists of women serving together with men fighting against Russians and alleged that the woman accused of killing of Russian milblogger Maxim Fomin (Vladlen Tartarsky) was motivated by feminist ideology


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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) may be setting conditions for a false flag attack in Sumy Oblast. The Russian MoD claimed on April 8 that Ukrainian forces have been delivering dead bodies from morgues to Okhtyrka, Sumy Oblast and applying toxic chemicals to the remains and the area in order to allege that Russian forces used chemical weapons.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 7:48 pm to
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Key Takeaways

Ukrainian and Russian sources discussed the decreased rate of Russian offensive operations along the entire frontline on April 8, supporting ISW’s assessment that the overall Russian offensive is approaching culmination.

The dynamics of battlefield artillery usage in Ukraine reflect the fact that Russian forces are using artillery to offset their degraded offensive capabilities.

Former Russian officer and ardent nationalist Igor Girkin launched a new effort likely aimed at protecting the influence the Russian pro-war faction within the Kremlin.

The “Club of Angry Patriot’s” reveals several key implications about the Kremlin dynamics and the perceived danger to Putin’s regime.

Girkin may be advancing the political goals of unnamed figures within Russian power structures possibly within the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB).

Russian nationalists seized on assassinated Russian milblogger Maxim Fomin’s funeral to promote pro-war narratives.

Russia’s missile campaign to degrade Ukraine’s unified energy infrastructure has failed definitively, and Russia appears to have abandoned the effort.

The Kremlin is likely intensifying legal punishments for terrorism-related crimes as part of a larger effort to promote self-censorship and establish legal conditions for intensified domestic repressions.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) may be setting conditions for a false flag attack in Sumy Oblast.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces have continued to make gains around Bakhmut, and tensions between the Wagner Group and conventional Russian forces over responsibility for tactical gains in Bakhmut appear to be intensifying.

Russian sources continued to speculate about the planned Ukrainian counteroffensive in southern Ukraine, including hypothesizing about the possibility of a Ukrainian amphibious landing across the Kakhovka Reservoir.

The Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) on April 6 proposed a defense industrial base (DIB) deregulation reform that could expedite defense production but will more likely facilitate corruption and embezzlement.

Ukrainian officials reported that 31 children returned to Ukraine after having been deported to Russia as Russian officials continue to discuss the adoption of Ukrainian children into Russian families.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:10 pm to
Putin's Twitter account has been restored but there are no new tweets. I don't expect anything interesting from it as it has always been mainly a recounting of his schedule for Western consumption.

Twitter if anyone wants to follow

Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:18 pm to
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A Discord devoted to a specific type of black, gay porn is just as bizarre of a host of these documents as a Minecraft Discord is.



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