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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:47 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:47 pm to
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Why would it be Kazakhstan over another smaller target they could more easily roll over to tout as a "redemptive win" after all the troubles the military has had in Ukraine?


Russia bailed out the leader of Kazakstan with "peacekeepers" when he was in danger of being overthrown. They probably figured he would welcome being part of the new Russian empire until he did a heel turn.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:59 pm to
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and also announced the transfer of 13 more armored "Biber" bridge-builders to the existing 7.


Being 50 class bridges the Bibers mech well with the T72/80/90 tanks as they are all under 50 tons. They are kinda surplus for Germany since they can't support the NATO 3rd gen tanks which you want a 70 class bridge for.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:23 pm to
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Interesting. Hard to really know the source and confirmed methodology, but one thing seems certain is that they’ve successfully muddied the waters enough from an intelligence perspective.


At only 70-90 meters down, TBoy and Claude from Lafourche Parish or their equivalent from most any nation with offshore oil and gas could do it. Off the shelf explosive is required. Oilfield service companies sell that stuff
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:41 pm to
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Why would it be Kazakhstan


The more I think about, the more I doubt my earlier guess, and that's because a Kazakhstan takeover would anger the Chinese, who have built good relationships with the Kazakh government.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:44 pm to
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The more I think about, the more I doubt my earlier guess, and that's because a Kazakhstan takeover would anger the Chinese, who have built good relationships with the Kazakh government.
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All natural gas is exported to China via pipeline.

Chinese have had influence there in business for 2 decades
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5120 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 3:48 pm to
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this, if nothing else, is this war has shown the worlds planners that drone and counter drone warfare is something that needs funding....


Say what you will , but you can bet your arse China is all over this stuff.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 4:26 pm to
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I really think it's Kazakhstan, and the Kazakhs know it, which is why they have done a complete 180 on Russia since last February.


Maybe, would certainly gain them the most from a potential economic perspective and they have the whole Russian population excuse after running hundreds of thousands of Russians off to Kazakhstan after the invasion. Seems this would be the most difficult terrain for them to manage given their doctrine and history in Afghanistan if this is what they chose and needed military means. Though I’m sure Kazakhstan air defense is significantly less than Ukraines currently after western aid.

Moldova seems the easiest target for multiple factors, but as others have said Romania probably gets antsy.

Poland of course has been specially named by Russia however.

Personally, I think Kazakhstan and Poland are absurd for them to attempt after the last year, but don’t fault either for their actions and would find it crazy if they didn’t. I think Poland has done the best job responding by aiding Ukraine so much and simultaneously significantly increasing their own defense quickly.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 4:36 pm to
But really, Russia is going to have enough trouble hanging on to their own territory. When Kadryov dies from poisoning in a few months and Chechnya revolts, it's going to be interesting.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 4:41 pm to
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Pentagon Blocks Sharing Evidence of Possible Russian War Crimes With Hague Court


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The Pentagon is blocking the Biden administration from sharing evidence with the International Criminal Court in The Hague gathered by American intelligence agencies about Russian atrocities in Ukraine, according to current and former officials briefed on the matter. American military leaders oppose helping the court investigate Russians because they fear setting a precedent that might help pave the way for it to prosecute Americans. The rest of the administration, including intelligence agencies and the State and Justice Departments, favors giving the evidence to the court, the officials said. President Biden has yet to resolve the impasse, officials said.

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In December, Congress modified longstanding legal restrictions on American help to the court, allowing the United States to assist with its investigations and eventual prosecutions related to the war in Ukraine. But inside the Biden administration, a policy dispute over whether to do so continues to play out behind closed doors.



Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21027 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 4:44 pm to
Apparently, Russian BMPs are not equipped with fire extinguishers.

LINK

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Rare footage of a fire from inside Russian BMP, as well as attempts to extinguish the fire with dirt. Filmed by Russians themselves.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21027 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 5:53 pm to
Prigozhin's rants were bound to breed this, from @wartranslated:

LINK

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While Prigozin posts daily complaints about lack of ammunition, soldiers of the 136th Brigade, who will be replacing the 155th Kamikaze Brigade in Vuhledar, accuse the command of sending all ammo to Wagner.




It just blows my mind that we see new videos every single day of Russian soldiers publicly complaining and/or condemning their command ... and there are still people who think that this army is going to win.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:04 pm to
I wonder if these complaints are just because they are starting to run short of Ammo and trying to figure out why they don't have enough ammo
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16112 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:07 pm to
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I see y’all’s confusion now. The “HIMARS” you’ve linked to is nothing but a lightweight truck that fires rockets with an explosive on the end.


Thanks for clearing this up for me. Point well taken.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:08 pm to
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American military leaders oppose helping the court investigate Russians because they fear setting a precedent that might help pave the way for it to prosecute Americans.


That’s immediately what I thought when I read the headline.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:19 pm to
More accurate headline:

America “officially” will not cooperate with providing evidence.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21027 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:27 pm to
NY Times:

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Ukraine Claims Bakhmut Battle Is Wagner’s ‘Last Stand’


KYIV, Ukraine — Russia’s Wagner mercenary group has been forced to use more of its professional recruits in Bakhmut to replace its depleted supply of enlisted prisoners, who are perishing by the thousands in the longest battle of the war, a Ukrainian official said on Tuesday.

The claim suggested that Ukraine sees an opportunity, despite the heavy casualties it has suffered in the eastern city, to exhaust Wagner’s nearly suicidal prisoner assaults, which Ukraine’s commanders regard as one of Russia’s most effective tactics.

“This is their last stand,” Col. Serhiy Cherevaty, a spokesman for Ukraine’s eastern group of forces, told Radio Liberty in an interview, referring to Wagner’s forces in Bakhmut, where Russia and Ukraine’s vicious, monthslong struggle has left thousands of soldiers dead and the city in rubble.

Ukrainian officials have claimed that nearly 30,000 of Wagner’s 50,000 troops have deserted or been killed or wounded, many around Bakhmut. That number could not be independently verified, and Ukraine has not disclosed its own losses in the region. Russia’s defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, claimed on Tuesday that Ukraine had lost more than 11,000 troops in February.

As the fight for Bakhmut appears to be entering a decisive phase, both sides are trying to justify their staggering losses in a minor city of limited strategic value by presenting them as benefiting their cause. Each makes essentially the same claim: that the fighting there is worth the horrific cost because it is wearing down the enemy.

Wagner’s founder, Yegveny V. Prigozhin, has repeatedly said that his group’s triple-digit daily casualty rates are sucking experienced Ukrainian units into what he calls the “Bakhmut meat-grinder,” upsetting their offensive plans elsewhere.

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U.S. intelligence officials in December estimated that Wagner comprised about 10,000 professional soldiers, recruited mostly from veterans of Russia's security forces, and 40,000 former inmates.

The devastated city of Bakhmut, in a screen shot from aerial drone video taken in January.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16112 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:56 pm to
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This doesn’t seem to make sense. Nordic govt claims to have been impressed by intelligence details from a briefing a week after the explosions, but Germany waited until January to raid the boat reportedly used?


Many months late and the charges used offshore to sever large diameter thick walled pipe piling is like a rope. It would be packed in something with no residue left onboard the ship.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73980 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:04 pm to
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As the fight for Bakhmut appears to be entering a decisive phase, both sides are trying to justify their staggering losses in a minor city of limited strategic value by presenting them as benefiting their cause. Each makes essentially the same claim: that the fighting there is worth the horrific cost because it is wearing down the enemy.


This doesn’t seem like a good strategy for the Ukrainians as Russia has the capacity to sustain far heavier casualties than they do over the long term.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:05 pm to
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The more I think about, the more I doubt my earlier guess, and that's because a Kazakhstan takeover would anger the Chinese, who have built good relationships with the Kazakh government.



Fair point, I didn't realise China had been cultivating Kazakhstan as well.

It would also mean Russia had another shared border with them which is where I was questioning it from, I doubt China would be keen on that happening.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8182 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:19 pm to
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This doesn’t seem like a good strategy for the Ukrainians as Russia has the capacity to sustain far heavier casualties than they do over the long term.


Conventional wisdom would say you are right which makes me wonder, Why? Ukraine is fully aware of its limited resources, why would it squander them needlessly?

This leads to several possible explanations

1) They are making a mistake
2) They are actually conducting a pullback and are trying to obscure that fact through every channel available to them, including the media. To do so, they are hitting Russia on the edges to draw pressure off the middle while they pull back.
3) They know something that tells them it's worth the sacrifice, in effect, they have information we are not privy to. This would go along with the reports that Wager is almost expended that have started bubbling up.
4) They are trying to draw Russia into a trap, and we are watching a major psyop in motion.

My bet is on #4

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