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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:45 am to tigeraddict
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:45 am to tigeraddict
Many of you may already know, but there is a world class tank museum located in Bovington, Dorset, U.K. The Tank Museum puts out a lot of excellent background videos on the history, development, and evolution of tanks and anti-tank weapons. Also, many focusing on specific vehicles.
Here are links to a couple of recent YouTube videos released by The Tank Museum that you might find interesting:
The evolution of the tank gun from WWI to present day, presented by Chris Copson.
In this new series, “Evolution”, we’ll be taking a look at different aspects of the progress of tanks and tank technology from WWI to the present.
How did tank guns get so deadly?
Curator David Willey revisits the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, looking at the role of the tank and how it has been making headlines since his last update in May 2022.
Why does Ukraine want tanks?
The second video focuses exclusively on the war in Ukraine and also touches on why, if the tank is so obsolete as was portrayed for a time in the media, is there such a push to get Ukraine Western tanks?
Here are links to a couple of recent YouTube videos released by The Tank Museum that you might find interesting:
The evolution of the tank gun from WWI to present day, presented by Chris Copson.
In this new series, “Evolution”, we’ll be taking a look at different aspects of the progress of tanks and tank technology from WWI to the present.
How did tank guns get so deadly?
Curator David Willey revisits the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, looking at the role of the tank and how it has been making headlines since his last update in May 2022.
Why does Ukraine want tanks?
The second video focuses exclusively on the war in Ukraine and also touches on why, if the tank is so obsolete as was portrayed for a time in the media, is there such a push to get Ukraine Western tanks?
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:46 am to Moot Point
British Isles are big war history buffs with money to support such things. In the 80's our company pilot was also part owner of a B-17 being restored for to fly in the Confederate Air Force (since renamed to Commemorative) All of those investing money in the restoration were from Scotland and England. He occasionally took a day off to take an investor from there for a ride in it.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:15 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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why are they reinforcing this seemingly insignifiant town and sacrificing some of their best troops in house to house fighting?
Ukraine is no longer trying to "hold Bakhmut." That city no longer exists. It's only ruins now.
What Ukraine is trying to do now is:
- Kill as many Russians as they can.
- Delay as long as possible the inevitable moment when Prigozhin poses for photos in front of the city hall as the Ukrainian flag is lowered and the Russian flag is raised.
Ukraine has abandoned eastern Bakhmut and blown the bridge in the center of town over the river. The town hall is only some four blocks west of the river, but it would be exceedingly costly for Russia to cross the river there.
Ukraine has also counterattacked to hold the high ground SW of the city to protect that way out of the city, while blowing a bridge on the other way out (further to the north), so that Russia cannot get in that way.
In my opinion, the Ukrainian positions now appear very defensible.
Every day that the capture of Bakhmut is delayed is a day that Russia is not redeploying troops and refitting them to defend against Ukraine's upcoming offensive.
And it's another day of bleeding out Russian forces of ammo, armor, and men.
I am now absolutely convinced that the Russian ammo situation is worse than the shortages Ukraine is dealing with. And it's not even just 152mm artillery ammo.
I saw two videos last night of Ukrainian tanks engaging Russian infantry without any infantry support. That only happens if the Ukrainian tankers are sure that the Russians are out of ATGMs.
And have you seen the nasty-looking things that Russia has made by welding ancient naval guns onto MTLBs? That's not something that you do unless you are running out of heavy armor.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:22 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Obviously the Ukrainians see some value to holding Bakhmut. Otherwise they wouldn’t be wasting elite units defending it
To anyone questioning why they would make a stand at Bakhmut, just look at Severodonetsk(and to a different but similar extent, Mariupol). Ukraine has found a successful defensive strategy in choosing easily supplied cities as their battleground then bleeding the enemy there until their tactical withdrawal. The alternative is meeting the enemy on open ground and hard to supply trenches in winter. Which is worse for a defender?
Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:28 pm to Celery
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To anyone questioning why they would make a stand at Bakhmut, just look at Severodonetsk(and to a different but similar extent, Mariupol). Ukraine has found a successful defensive strategy in choosing easily supplied cities as their battleground then bleeding the enemy there until their tactical withdrawal. The alternative is meeting the enemy on open ground and hard to supply trenches in winter. Which is worse for a defender?
The key for this to work is for the Ukrainians to only hold so long as to bleed the Russians but not endangering their units with encirclement or destruction to the point of becoming combat ineffective. Russia can afford to wear its units down to a nub, at least for a time anyway. Ukraine does not have this luxury.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:32 pm to Darth_Vader
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The key for this to work is for the Ukrainians to only hold so long as to bleed the Russians but not endangering their units with encirclement or destruction to the point of becoming combat ineffective. Russia can afford to wear its units down to a nub, at least for a time anyway. Ukraine does not have this luxury.
That’s why I’m thinking the recent reinforcements will act as a rear guard allowing for the defenders to retreat in an orderly fashion to well prepared lines of defense to the West.
Russia may gain a propaganda victory, but unless they are able to advance westward it will be a shallow one.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:57 pm to CitizenK
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IF, a big if, it's 7:1, Ukraine will still be standing when Russia's manpower is gone. Demographics for age is not in Russia's favor. 4:1 is parity
Does your defender/attacker ratio apply to the coming Ukrainian offensive?
If not, why not?
Both sides are suffering a catastrophic loss of life with no ability to sustain offensive operations in any meaningful way.
That's the reality.
Only NATO (American) troops can remove Russia from Ukraine.
No western population will go for it. Not one.
We need peace talks.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 12:57 pm to GOP_Tiger
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And have you seen the nasty-looking things that Russia has made by welding ancient naval guns onto MTLBs? That's not something that you do unless you are running out of heavy armor.
Seriously, look at this thing and try to tell me with a straight face that using these things as your replacement IFVs is a recipe for success.
They are just taking any old naval gun that they can find and welding it onto these MT-LBs.
As others have pointed out, this kind of crap is what you expect to see from ISIS rebels or from some guerilla group in Africa or something.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:06 pm to Tiger985
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Only NATO (American) troops can remove Russia from Ukraine.
For the time being, it seems the thinking is that NATO weapons in the hands of Ukrainian troops can remove Russia from Ukraine.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:11 pm to Celery
Germany is trying to work two deals with the Swiss regarding tanks.
First is buying back 96 Leopard 1A5s to refurbish and send to Ukraine. The second is buying back mothballed Leo 2s and sending them to NATO partners who have sent their current Leopard 2s to Ukraine to plug any gaps. If the Leo 1 deal happens Ukraine could have a fleet of 333 Leopard 1s from all that has been promised.
First is buying back 96 Leopard 1A5s to refurbish and send to Ukraine. The second is buying back mothballed Leo 2s and sending them to NATO partners who have sent their current Leopard 2s to Ukraine to plug any gaps. If the Leo 1 deal happens Ukraine could have a fleet of 333 Leopard 1s from all that has been promised.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:34 pm to GOP_Tiger
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They are just taking any old naval gun that they can find and welding it onto these MT-LBs.
I don’t see any naval guns. Just machine guns protected by ad hoc field made turrets.
We did the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan on our humvees for years until they started making real turrets and MRAPs.
Before my unit rolled into Fallujah for the second battle we had the SeaBees weld metal plating onto the side and lined the bottom with as many sandbags as we could because no one in Iraq in 2004 had uparmored Humvees.
What you’re seeing is normal even for sophisticated militaries. I’m sure most Ukrainian units are driving around in even jankier shite.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:42 pm to Tiger985
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Does your defender/attacker ratio apply to the coming Ukrainian offensive?
If not, why not?
Both sides are suffering a catastrophic loss of life with no ability to sustain offensive operations in any meaningful way.
That's the reality.
Only NATO (American) troops can remove Russia from Ukraine.
No western population will go for it. Not one.
We need peace talks
It's not up to us on a message board far removed from the war to dictate what is needed based on what we have seen shared online, despite how we may feel about the futility and loss of human life.
It's between Russia and Ukraine and their individual wills to sustain the conflict in the face of any external pressure to end things. From everything demonstrated so far neither side is at a point of failure of will, nor is Ukraine being pressured in any meaningful way to bring things to negotiation, though I have argued Russia appears to be getting a bit wobbly.
If the Ukrainian offensive does fail though with similar losses then Russia will no doubt harden their resolve and set in for the long term regardless of the damage they do to themselves and Ukraine.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:47 pm to GOP_Tiger
One day soon hopefully this war will be over, I think I’ve spoken about how You and Pilot have contributed a ton to this thread. I figure you paid attention early in this thread when I inadvertently spoke about my friends in Europe and how I am given a heads up from time-to-time. I am no longer surprised at your insight into what’s happening in the war. Is there a way that you are so well informed? I am speaking about your second last post (without photos of the Frankenstein Armour) This summary is almost word for word what I’d heard a couple of weeks ago about Bakhmut. 
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
I pity the poor bugger who draws the straw putting them up on that.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 1:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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We did the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan on our humvees for years until they started making real turrets and MRAPs.
Exactly, our gun trucks in the Ghan had a Ma Duce that was controlled by the humvee crew inside the vehicle to avoid casualties.
On our MRAP’s we could change out the Ma Duce for a 240b depending on the route clearance mission.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 2:09 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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What you’re seeing is normal even for sophisticated militaries.
This thing does not look normal to me at all. It does not scream "sophisticated military" to me. It looks like a bastard technical.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 2:10 pm to OutsideObserver
Intense fire fight reported to be from in Bahkmut, place is an absolute wasteland. Footage starts at around 1min 15, the RPG firer's reaction to the return fire made me laugh but shows just how inured they are to things there.
Twitter - @wartranslated Bahkmut street fighting.
Twitter - @wartranslated Bahkmut street fighting.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 2:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
They’re adapting their tactics and equipment just like everyone else does. If I had to guess they’ve built that turret up high so that the vehicle itself could stay in défilasse while the gunner can fire over berms or walls or some other sort of cover.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 2:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Haven't found anything further but this is floating around on several sources on twitter. Military-Technical co-operation could mean many things.
Twitter - @sentdefender China to provide Russia with co-operation
Edit: Wording correction
Twitter - @sentdefender China to provide Russia with co-operation
Edit: Wording correction
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/4/23 at 3:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This thing does not look normal to me at all. It does not scream "sophisticated military" to me. It looks like a bastard technical.
It looks top rear heavy and needs s fairly smooth road to drive in without falling over
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