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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:22 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:22 pm to
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The city of Marinka...the only difference between this and a nuke, is at least this place isn't radioactive.


But, but the war isn't real. There is no footage that indicates this is anything but a money laundering scheme and Russia is in on it too.

I am assuming their names are all Tommy because they are deaf, dumb, and blind. Bet they are good at pinball.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:26 pm to
Here's Rybar's latest map, from just five hours ago: LINK



It also does not show the 2-mile neck that OSINTdefender shows, nor does it show Russia in control of the 504 road.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:27 pm to
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DO you think the Russians make a push for Ivanivske?



They have tried that a number of times. So far, it hasn't worked. Some four or five days ago, they got into town, and then Ukraine countered and pushed them back out.
Posted by ThisisAggieland
Somewhere in fricking WI
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:29 pm to
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They have tried that a number of times. So far, it hasn't worked. Some four or five days ago, they got into town, and then Ukraine countered and pushed them back out.


Ah. I see.

Anywhere in the general vicinity of Bakhmut been a success for the Russians?

Sorry that my knowledge of the ongiong battle is limited
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:31 pm to
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There would be grenades and claymores rigged everywhere so they have to move slowly in the city and then I’d let the sky rain with artillery.


The big issue with field expedient traps, IEDs, and Claymores is how they and any other countermobility operations* would inhibit Ukraine's movement back through the area if needed. You can map traps them like a minefield and declare them off-limits if you move back through but you have to be very careful with this sort of action.


* blowing bridges as a good example
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:46 pm to
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Anywhere in the general vicinity of Bakhmut been a success for the Russians?



Yes. In the last few days, Russia has made significant progress in the north and east of the city. In fact, they have likely now taken the entire eastern half of the city. They also continue to make progress in the south of the city itself (though not in the SW).

Russia IS taking the city, and they are exceedingly likely to finish capturing Bakhmut in the next few days.

The debate is whether or not Ukraine is withdrawing today, or whether they end up continuing to fight until Monday or Tuesday.
Posted by ThisisAggieland
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:48 pm to
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GOP_Tiger



Thank you.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:14 pm to
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For peace talks to work, both side need to be close in a settlement.

Ukraine wants Russia out of Ukraine and reparations for damage caused

Russia wants to keep areas they occupy, the remainder of the oblast that they don’t control yet, and zalenaky removed from office. Eventually they want a land bridge to Moldova. With a final goal of all Ukraine being Russia.

Neither side is ready to bend. Only way for peace is one side lose on the battlefield.





Russia has already blown up the Chinese peace plan
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:43 pm to
I'm thinking a Ukraine counter envelopment of the Russian pincers may be in the works.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:44 pm to
NBC News:

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Two Ukrainian pilots are in the U.S. for training assessment on attack aircraft, including F-16s

Two Ukrainian pilots are currently in the United States undergoing an assessment to determine how long it could take to train them to fly attack aircraft, including F-16 fighter jets, according to two congressional officials and a senior U.S. official.

The Ukrainians’ skills are being evaluated on simulators at a U.S. military base in Tucson, Arizona, the officials said, and they may be joined by more of their fellow pilots soon.

U.S. authorities have approved bringing up to 10 more Ukrainian pilots to the U.S. for further assessment as early as this month, the officials said.

The arrival of the first two pilots marks the first time Ukrainian pilots have traveled to the U.S. to have their skills evaluated by American military trainers. Officials said the effort has twin goals: to improve the pilots’ skills and evaluate how long a proper training program could take.

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Two administration officials stressed that it isn’t a training program and said that the Ukrainians will not be flying any aircraft during their time in the U.S.

These officials said the pilots will be using a simulator that can mimic flying various types of aircraft, and they emphasized that there are no updates on the U.S. decision to provide F-16’s to Ukraine beyond what the Pentagon’s top policy official said to Congress last week.

The official, Colin Kahl, told the House Armed Services Committee that the U.S. has not made the decision to provide F-16’s and neither had U.S. allies and partners.

He also said the U.S. has “not started training on F-16s” and that the delivery timeline for F-16s is “essentially the same” as the training timeline, about 18 months.
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Other U.S. defense officials have said the training could be shortened to six to nine months, depending on the pilots previous training and knowledge of fighter aircraft.

Ukrainian officials have told the U.S. and other allies that they have fewer than 20 pilots ready to travel to the U.S. to train on F-16s and another 30 or so who could be trained in the near future, according to American and Western officials.

Asked about the assessment of two Ukrainian pilots, a defense official described it as “familiarization event.”
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:48 pm to
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It also does not show anything like what we saw from the @OSINTdefender map.

Hey, DabosDynasty, if we don't see videos of Prigozhin celebrating tomorrow in the main square of Bakhmut tomorrow, then you'll know not to trust that account.


Maybe not for maps, but they’ve been a pretty solid account to follow for updates. Actually, this is the first time I can remember them actually sharing a map to be honest, of course I could just not remember or have missed the tweet, but that is why I shared it because they don’t normally share maps and provided the 2 mi measurement for the gap left to get out.

I’ve seen a few videos reportedly of Ukrainian troops retreating from Bakhmut, but unsure of those accounts. Saw the map OSINT shared and thought maybe there could be some truth to those videos. Guess we’ll know for sure in the next 12-36 hours.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:02 pm to
Nothing like waiting till its too late. (non-training pilots)
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:20 pm to
I agree the Russians are taking control of the ground that used to be a city. BFD, will they be able to hold it.

If they Ukes are smart they will fake a hasty dramatic retreat and then hit them on all sides with massive offensive as soon as their lines are over extended
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:22 pm to
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If they Ukes are smart they will fake a hasty dramatic retreat and then hit them on all sides with massive offensive as soon as their lines are over extended


Most of the modern tanks and equipment needed for the big Ukrainian offensive won’t even be in the country for weeks if not months. Ukraine still has a lot tank crews and other troops in other countries getting training.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:30 pm to
Pro-Russian @vicktor55 tweeted this a few days ago:

quote:

In Ukraine, 14 new brigades are being created from scratch.

Lviv:
21 mechanized
22 mechanized
23 mechanized
33 mechanized
82 airmobile
88 mechanized

Kyiv:
13 gamekeeper

Zaporozhye:
117 mechanized

Dnieper:
34 Marines

Vinnitsa:
Air assault

Poltava:
116 mechanized
118 mechanized
31mechanized
32 mechanized

Total: 14 brigades

This is quite enough, both for the offensive and for blocking the front in the event of our offensive from the north.

Apparently, in April-May, these brigades will already go to the front.



Even if this is an exaggeration, it's still why Bakhmut doesn't matter, except that the effort to take it is preventing Russia from preparing to defend. Ukraine also has a large number of other units that are currently not fighting and are preparing for the offensive.

Meanwhile, I continue to read that Shoigu was near Vuhledar, and Russia has brought more reserves up from Mariupol to make another big attempt there.

Though I am just now reading from ISW that Shoigu may instead have been in Vuhledar to assess whether to relieve Gen. Muradov of his command. ISW is also questioning why Gerasimov wasn't there?
Posted by ThisisAggieland
Somewhere in fricking WI
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:35 pm to
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Poltava:
116 mechanized
118 mechanized
31mechanized
32 mechanized


Poltava seems to be the most crucial based on the list given
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:35 pm to
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13 gamekeeper


I’ve studied warfare for over 40 years. What the hell is a “gamekeeper” brigade?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:48 pm to
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What the hell is a “gamekeeper” brigade?


In Germany, it is the infantry made up literally of gamekeepers. Jager just like the master of the hunt digestif.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:52 pm to
It's gotta be a bad translation from Russian and is probably light infantry.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
25033 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 8:56 pm to
What would "light infantry" consist of for the Russians? Shetland ponies?
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