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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:40 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:40 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Poland already has the itch. If Belarus joins directly that itch may be beyond control. I would imagine that may be coordinated with the Baltics given the geography, plus all are NATO partners so not certain how far and wide that then spreads with direct action.
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Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:41 am to GOP_Tiger
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Evidently, Putin was feeling lazy, so he decided not to write a new speech, but instead decided simply to plagiarize the great writings of our finest Politards.
The talking points bleated by the politards likely originated from Russian trolls on select message boards in the first place. Dream up some ridiculous bullshite and post it on some prepper message board and watch it spread
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:59 am to dagrippa
Per some politards Putin was based. BWAHAHAHA
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:04 am to dagrippa
Putin to meet with the leaders of South Ossetia tomorrow to discuss "bilateral" cooperation.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:06 am to DabosDynasty
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Seems a possibility. I find the pairing of the two updates interesting. Russians moving on their side of the border and apparently Ukrainians just over the other side centered around Putin’s speech and Lukashenko saying they’re going to train paramilitary units in every city and town. Will respond to even one stray soldier over the border with force.
I'm sure the FSB is planning a false flag scenario as we speak. I think Luka's resistance to fully join the war is starting to crumble and he knows the bill is coming due soon.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:13 am to DabosDynasty
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Poland already has the itch. If Belarus joins directly that itch may be beyond control.
That would pull in all NATO, including the US, per Article V of the NATO Charter. We’re talking not a figurative WWIII, but a literal WWIII.
If it comes to that, I don’t see how it ends without there being some sort of nuclear exchange, most likely instigated by Russia in a last ditch effort to stave off defeat.
Someone, somewhere needs to get all parties to a table and stop this while it can still be stopped. Sadly, as far as I know, no one is seriously trying to find a settled end to this war. Am I wrong?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:17 am to Burhead
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I'm sure the FSB is planning a false flag scenario as we speak. I think Luka's resistance to fully join the war is starting to crumble and he knows the bill is coming due soon.
The problem is that the public wouldn't support it at all. It is only with Putin's help that Luka barely stays in office.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:19 am to Darth_Vader
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Someone, somewhere needs to get all parties to a table and stop this while it can still be stopped. Sadly, as far as I know, no one is seriously trying to find a settled end to this war. Am I wrong?
I’m hoping China jumps in as mediator. Hopefully they are doing that now.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:21 am to Darth_Vader
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That would pull in all NATO, including the US, per Article V of the NATO Charter. We’re talking not a figurative WWIII, but a literal WWIII.
If it comes to that, I don’t see how it ends without there being some sort of nuclear exchange, most likely instigated by Russia in a last ditch effort to stave off defeat.
Someone, somewhere needs to get all parties to a table and stop this while it can still be stopped. Sadly, as far as I know, no one is seriously trying to find a settled end to this war. Am I wrong?
Unilateral intervention would not trigger Article 5.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:22 am to doubleb
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I’m hoping China jumps in as mediator. Hopefully they are doing that NOA.
These Chinese are no mediator here. I'm wary of the fact Beijing is forcing itself into this.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:26 am to Burhead
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Unilateral intervention would not trigger Article 5.
The other NATO members most likely would not sit by and let Poland shoulder the fighting alone. Plus, I’m quite certain the moment Russia is hit from a NATO country it will not sit around waiting to see if other NATO counties join in. Bottom line is this, if any current NATO member becomes an active participant in this war, it will be all but impossible for most of, if not all, of NATO joining in as well. About the only NATO country I could see sitting out is Turkey.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:29 am to doubleb
Don't know if this is a fit for Xi, but it would be a great service to the parties and to world peace, if the Chinese could become honest brokers for a peace agreement. It would be a huge credibility boost for China on the world stage.
Russia is in a corner and Putin has no out that allows him to save face, so WWIII is not a totally remote risk.
I do not know of any other country that could require Putin to stand down other than China.
The bigger issue would be whether the west could trust Xi and China in this role.
Russia is in a corner and Putin has no out that allows him to save face, so WWIII is not a totally remote risk.
I do not know of any other country that could require Putin to stand down other than China.
The bigger issue would be whether the west could trust Xi and China in this role.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:31 am to Burhead
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I'm sure the FSB is planning a false flag scenario as we speak. I think Luka's resistance to fully join the war is starting to crumble and he knows the bill is coming due soon.
Not sure what he can materially do, besides provide bases, which he's already doing. His civilian population is not on board and committed acts of sabotage during the last northern campaign. His military, poor quality to begin with, has been stripped of supplies and equipment to send to the Russians. If he enters the war it may take significant numbers of Russian troops to keep the lid on in Belarus, which Russia needs elsewhere.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:31 am to nitwit
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Don't know if this is a fit for Xi, but it would be a great service to the parties and to world peace,
It would and China would get a huge boost if they did.
Who else could “persuade” Putin to wise up, and who else could get Joe’s attention?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:44 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I don't think the west can stand on the sidelines if other countries (Belarus) join in the fight. With Belarus and China about to join in in some manner, we better get ready over here and in border countries in Europe.
I don't think that any other nation wants to jump into this death spiral. It's hard enough to watch the Russians and Ukrainians engage in WWI-style mutual destruction. Who would want to join that?
The best and wisest course is the course that we have been on since the outset, which is to provide materials to assist the invaded country repel the invaders. Unless Russia invades someone else, we should stay the course.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:45 am to doubleb
My news feed says Xi is making a trip to Moscow. Something tells me it's more likely to support Russia than to broker a peace deal.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:50 am to TBoy
quote:Would you want to jump in now with (and while there is a) Ukraine or wait another decade if Ukraine goes away or falls under the Russian sphere of influence and you (Poland) have them on your doorstep?
I don't think that any other nation wants to jump into this death spiral. It's hard enough to watch the Russians and Ukrainians engage in WWI-style mutual destruction. Who would want to join that?
There’s something to be said for Poland moving now.
Plus Poland absolutely fricking hates the Russians and ain’t real trustful of their German “friends”.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:52 am to soccerfüt
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There’s something to be said for Poland moving now.
Maybe. But I would imagine a very short line for volunteers to go to the front lines in the Donbas.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:52 am to Jim Rockford
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My news feed says Xi is making a trip to Moscow. Something tells me it's more likely to support Russia than to broker a peace deal.
It’s all speculation on my part. A hunch.
But if he were going as a mediator, they probably wouldn’t announce it.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 9:58 am to TBoy
quote:I was thinking Polish action would be a response to Belarus action against Ukraine. Then Poland would move from Polish soil to Belarus and the Kaliningrad Oblast rather than fighting in Ukraine.
Maybe. But I would imagine a very short line for volunteers to go to the front lines in the Donbas.
I agree that there’s probably not much stomach in Poland to jump in the fray as it is at present.
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 10:00 am
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