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Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:09 am to doubleb
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@MarQs__ · 24m Chinese – Russian relations are solid as a rock and will withstand any test of the changing international situation, Wang Yi said at a meeting with Patrushev - RIA
Yeah I want no part of China involving themselves here.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:10 am to Burhead
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@WarMonitors ??#BREAKING Russia plans to seize the airport in Chisinau for the transfer of troops — Moldovan Prime Minister Recean
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:13 am to Darth_Vader
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That would pull in all NATO, including the US, per Article V of the NATO Charter. We’re talking not a figurative WWIII, but a literal WWIII.
Yeah I just meant I don’t really know where that leads with who’s doing what and where. Just like WWII (in my mind) everyone wasn’t fighting all at once from the first bullet. So I meant I don’t know what fronts that opens, aside from the obvious of Poland and Belarus, but then does Russia attempt to go through the Baltics to Poland or through Belarus? Would it matter? Would we immediately have troops in action or allow Poland to take the lead first? Would we immediately blockade Russia in coordination with the Nordic countries and the UK and allow the Poles and Ukrainians to fight the ground war?
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Someone, somewhere needs to get all parties to a table and stop this while it can still be stopped. Sadly, as far as I know, no one is seriously trying to find a settled end to this war. Am I wrong?
I don’t really disagree that it does seem no one is really serious about peace any time soon. I think that’s proven out through the actions on the ground and the methodology of lethal aid to Ukraine. I think there’s an argument for solving the problem now vs later after allowing Russia to potentially regroup and rearm, but also certainly an argument against and for peace.
Personally, I’ve felt it was likely all along this thing spilled beyond Ukraine because as much as it truly is a war for Ukrainian sovereignty, it’s also an East/West proxy in a period of economic weakness with many fractures.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:16 am to Darth_Vader
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Someone, somewhere needs to get all parties to a table and stop this while it can still be stopped. Sadly, as far as I know, no one is seriously trying to find a settled end to this war. Am I wrong?
If Poland jumps in it does not invoke article V. They would have to be attacked first, not attack someone else first. Not saying vote won't be held, but Poland cannot unilaterally pull NATO into the war
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:22 am to StormyMcMan
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@Andrew_S_Bowen
Despite mobilization, losses among elite units and junior officers considerably hamper ???? force generation and offensive capability
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:25 am to Burhead
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@WarMonitors ??#BREAKING Russia plans to seize the airport in Chisinau for the transfer of troops — Moldovan Prime Minister Recean
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Russia intends to carry out a coup in Moldova by seizing the Chisinau airport for the transfer of troops, — Zelensky in an interview with Die Welt.
The Prime Minister of Moldova confirmed Zelensky's statement, stressing that there are several scenarios of destabilisation...
LINK
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:26 am to Burhead
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Yeah I want no part of China involving themselves here.
They are already involved.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:28 am to StormyMcMan
NATO making Putin a bad boy again?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:32 am to doubleb
What a colossal frick up of epic proportions. If a relatively insignificant (and non-NATO) Ukraine is a catalyst for escalation to a World War then who can justify any if it?
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:35 am to El Segundo Guy
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What a colossal frick up of epic proportions. If a relatively insignificant (and non-NATO) Ukraine is a catalyst for escalation to a World War then who can justify any if it?
No one can.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:37 am to El Segundo Guy
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What a colossal frick up of epic proportions. If a relatively insignificant (and non-NATO) Ukraine is a catalyst for escalation to a World War then who can justify any if it?
Did anyone think that an Archduke getting shot in Sarajevo was going to result in millions dead and wounded across Europe? There is always a risk of escalation but this isn't the fault of the West. The blame is squarely on the shoulders of the man in the Kremlin.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:43 am to Burhead
Yes I know all about Saraevo. I was in that city in 1999.
My point was history could be repeating itself and the masters of puppets aren't concerned at all.
My point was history could be repeating itself and the masters of puppets aren't concerned at all.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:45 am to El Segundo Guy
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What a colossal frick up of epic proportions. If a relatively insignificant (and non-NATO) Ukraine is a catalyst for escalation to a World War then who can justify any if it?
Nonsensical. Did issues in the Balkans justify WWI?
States in international politics compete with one another. That competition is the issue, not the particular venue.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:46 am to El Segundo Guy
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My point was history could be repeating itself and the masters of puppets aren't concerned at all.
Nonsense. Rival states compete with one another on battlegrounds that aren't their homelands regularly. It is just the way international politics works.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:47 am to El Segundo Guy
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My point was history could be repeating itself and the masters of puppets aren't concerned at all.
They have no reason to be. See this thread.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 10:57 am to Burhead
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These Chinese are no mediator here. I'm wary of the fact Beijing is forcing itself into this.
Their efforts are centered around global prestige. They want to be seen as the mediator and rational superpower opposed to the American instigator. Any efforts of peace or war making on their part is in attempt to displace American hegemony where possible. Obviously won’t work for Western Europe, but I think they see the rest of the world as on the table aside from Japan and SK.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:37 am to El Segundo Guy
It was already covered
This post was edited on 2/21/23 at 11:39 am
Posted on 2/21/23 at 11:44 am to StormyMcMan
The poliboard thread on Putin's speech is about what I've come to expect from over there.
Posted on 2/21/23 at 12:03 pm to Burhead
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quote:@WarMonitors ??#BREAKING Russia plans to seize the airport in Chisinau for the transfer of troops — Moldovan Prime Minister Recean
So it begins
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