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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:16 pm to Stidham8
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:16 pm to Stidham8
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Zelensky - “we need HIMARS and we can win this war”
*6 months later with Bakhmut now fighting Russia on 3 sides and Ukraine losing towns all across Donbas.*
Zelensky - “We need tanks and surely we will win this war.”
*6 months later when Ukraine is losing ground from major Russia offensives after their mobilization of 150K troops.*
What will Zelensky be asking for at that point?
Putin: stay out of the war or I’m launching nukes
Months later: don’t send x or I’m launching nukes
X is sent
Putin: NATO better not accept bordering nations or I’ll launch nukes.
NATO expediently reviewing applications of national that will double its border with Russia
Months later: don’t send y or I’m launching nukes
Y is sent
Putin: I’m serious this time mfer, I’ll launch the nukes
“Modern” western tanks being sent
Putin: that’s it y’all just blew past redlines.
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:16 pm to doubleb
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We know now that Russia is a paper tiger, but we didn’t know that on day one.
I was pointing out that the Russians were telegraphing their moves and that the Ukrainians would be a much harder out than anyone expected them to be weeks before the invasion. I also was pointing out that Russia would never take Kyiv without horrific casualties because at time very few people realized how much the Ukrainians hated Russia and that the idea of eastern Ukraine wanting to be Russian was complete bullshite. I never expect it to be this deadly of a war but I did predict that Russia wouldn’t roll over Ukraine.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:30 pm to WeeWee
I remember that, but you were an outlier; and you have to admit you are close to the situation and biased.
Your views about Ukraine are like my views when it comes to LSU Football. I never think we have no shot, and we can beat anybody in Tiger Stadium.
Your views about Ukraine are like my views when it comes to LSU Football. I never think we have no shot, and we can beat anybody in Tiger Stadium.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:33 pm to Stidham8
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Bakhmut has Russians on 3 sides of it now. Towns all across Donbas have been falling to the Russian the past few weeks.
Only 2 destroyed towns have fallen. Russia has advanced approximately 25 km since the start of the month and has suffered > 20,000 KIA. That is a 1 km per day and 1000 dead Russians per km. It's 260 km away from the Dnieper River. If the Russians keep up the current pace they will reach the river by the end of summer and after suffering 250,000 KIA. Do you think they can do it?
The facts show that Russia's western front has collapsed so when is Ukraine's eastern front going to collapse?
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:34 pm to doubleb
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you have to admit you are close to the situation and biased.
True
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:48 pm to WeeWee
This has kinda been obvious, but interesting to see it officially confirmed. The US is no longer worried about weapons deliveries "escalating" the conflict. Our deliveries are about what we have, how much stuff costs, and the logistics of delivering it and maintaining it.
That's why I expect Ukraine to eventually get ATACMS and F-16s.
Question for the board: how many F-16s does Ukraine need to make a significant impact on the war?
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Gone or greatly diminished now are fears of crossing Russian President Vladimir Putin, though his nuclear arsenal still stands as a deterrent to a wider conflagration with NATO. The Pentagon’s plan for arming Ukraine is now believed to be driven more by accountancy and logistics than Russia’s vague warnings of retaliation.
“The outstanding issue for weapons systems now is our inventory and supply chain, not the Russian response to what we choose to send Ukraine,” one senior U.S. official, requesting anonymity, told Yahoo News. “That response consists of a lot of shouting and threats but no significant military retaliation.” That assessment is no doubt undergirded by credible U.S. and Western intelligence about Russia’s true capability and intentions as opposed to its stated ones.
That's why I expect Ukraine to eventually get ATACMS and F-16s.
Question for the board: how many F-16s does Ukraine need to make a significant impact on the war?
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:51 pm to Tiger985
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We are escalating a conflict that is in no way a vital American interest.
Clown or Russian bot -- which is it?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:54 pm to GOP_Tiger
1,000 would make a significant impact
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:55 pm to Stidham8
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Bakhmut has Russians on 3 sides of it now.
You're still terrible at reading maps I see
Eta this gem as well from August
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This is totally false. Russia is making gains in Donbas universally throughout the long frontline. Ukraine is being completely depleted and it'll only get worse as time goes on.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:57 pm to Tiger985
Using Russian talking points is pro Russia. You haven't even thought through any ideas but just used the Russian talking points.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The US is no longer worried about weapons deliveries "escalating" the conflict.
Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine it was the Russians trying to destroy the electrical infrastructure and freeze thousands of civilians to death that was the straw that broke the camel's back. I would have though Bucha massacre or the torture chambers of Lyman would have been enough to get everyone on board but apparently not.
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Our deliveries are about what we have, how much stuff costs, and the logistics of delivering it and maintaining it.
Which is how it should have been from the get go. It's escalation if we send F16s or M1s to Ukraine but it is not escalation to send T72s or Mig29s? It is beyond time that we called Putin's bluff.
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That's why I expect Ukraine to eventually get ATACMS and F-16s.
Better send some concrete trucks to Ukraine first.
quote:
Question for the board: how many F-16s does Ukraine need to make a significant impact on the war?
About tree fiddy.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:07 pm to Tiger985
If we let Ukraine fall, every small country with a big, aggressive neighbor will know they're on their own. Taiwan, S.Korea, the Baltics, Poland and probably several others start crash programs to develop nukes, and rightly so. That would be inherently destabilizing. It's in our and the world's interest that this not happen.
If it comes to that nobody will be able to hold Poland back. They will tear Russia a new a-hole and won't stop until Russia is no longer a threat. At that point Russia will be tempted to resort to nukes. The way to deescalate is to defeat Russia now, not later.
Lavrov stated the other day that any negotiations are predicated on Ukraine accepting its prewar demands. Russia doesn't want to negotiate, it wants to achieve it's war aims. By saying Ukraine needs to negotiate you're saying Ukraine should give Russia everything it wants.
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What happens when the western weapons aren't enough and it's western soldiers that are needed to use and maintain the western weapons?
If it comes to that nobody will be able to hold Poland back. They will tear Russia a new a-hole and won't stop until Russia is no longer a threat. At that point Russia will be tempted to resort to nukes. The way to deescalate is to defeat Russia now, not later.
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This will be settled at a negotiating table and the sooner the better.
Lavrov stated the other day that any negotiations are predicated on Ukraine accepting its prewar demands. Russia doesn't want to negotiate, it wants to achieve it's war aims. By saying Ukraine needs to negotiate you're saying Ukraine should give Russia everything it wants.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:15 pm to CitizenK
Not really war related but here is a part of a report that shows how bad things are inside Mother Russia right meow.
LINK
Clinics with no water or heat? Is Russia trying to out do Jackson Ms?
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Here's a report from the Accounts Chamber: a third of Russian child clinics don't have... WATER SUPPLY! And 40% don't have heating. Imagine bringing you sick child to a clinic without heating in Russian winter!
LINK
Clinics with no water or heat? Is Russia trying to out do Jackson Ms?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:21 pm to Jim Rockford
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Russia has attacked a transport ship in the Port of Kherson.
The ships sails under a Turkish flag.
Video shows the commander’s bridge on fire.
LINK
Russia might have just f**ked up any progress it was making with Turkey. Things could get very interesting if this is true.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:22 pm to DabosDynasty
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Wtf is he gonna do about it anyway
At what point does Putin think he is justified in using a nuke? IF that happens that's a game changer and will drag everyone in.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:28 pm to SOSFAN
Putin can't launch them himself. He has a chain of command, many of whom are less than thrilled with his leadership. If he gives the order, I wouldn't count on it being carried out, or on his surviving more than a few minutes after. He has to know this too. He may be megalomaniacal but he doesn't impress me as stupid nor Hitler in the bunker delusional.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:31 pm to Stidham8
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Stidham8
Remember when you said Russia was the only one advancing? t appears you might have spoken too soon.
quote:LINK
Russian sources are reporting that Ukrainian troops are trying to cross the Dnieper river at Nova Kakhovka, Kherson oblast. Vladimir Rogov, a Russian-installed official in Zaporizhia oblast, says that fighting is ongoing.
It is unknown how big the fighting is or how many troops are involved, but Ukrainian sources are saying that they are across the river and engaging the invaders now.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:38 pm to WeeWee
Russia is sure trying to obtain the Dicky Dumbass of the year award, two years in a row.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:43 pm to Jim Rockford
LINK
Above is a Reddit thread from a Ukrainian soldier on the Soledar/Bakhmut area. Grain of salt, but hey, it seems pretty believable.
The TL:DW? The Ukrainians have the high ground outside of Soledar and are using the entire area as target practice. Russians are getting killed easily and in bunches. Russians still have yet to enter Bakhmut.
Sounds like they're holding pretty good. Still wanting more of course. But it doesn't sound dire. Of course this just one guys account, but still.
Above is a Reddit thread from a Ukrainian soldier on the Soledar/Bakhmut area. Grain of salt, but hey, it seems pretty believable.
The TL:DW? The Ukrainians have the high ground outside of Soledar and are using the entire area as target practice. Russians are getting killed easily and in bunches. Russians still have yet to enter Bakhmut.
Sounds like they're holding pretty good. Still wanting more of course. But it doesn't sound dire. Of course this just one guys account, but still.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 9:44 pm to CitizenK
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Russia is sure trying to obtain the Dicky Dumbass of the year award, two years in a row.
It's going to be tough. They have to defeat Stidham8 and his map reading to win.
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