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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:11 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:11 pm to WeeWee
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That is politics baw and it is not supposed to be on this board per chicken's edict last month.
How is it different than discussing whether or not we should be giving Ukraine F-16s? That’s policy. Hell, you rooting for Ukraine to win is outright political. It’s a political position to take and there’s not really any debating that. It’s a war thread which by very definition makes it a political thread. If you feel that way then you must also believe that this entire thread should be moved to the poliboard.
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:13 pm to momentoftruth87
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been in combat
is not
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deployed to a combat zone.
So which is it killer, trigger time or sitting on the FOB in Kuwait?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:14 pm to Lakeboy7
Kuwait isn’t a deployment homeboy
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:17 pm to momentoftruth87
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Kuwait isn’t a deployment homeboy
You didnt answer the question did you?
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:18 pm to momentoftruth87
- My opinion on poverty is worthless because I didn't grow up poor.
- My opinion on racism is worthless because I'm not black.
- My opinion on the war in Ukraine is worthless because I am not a combat veteran.
I'm so tired of woke dictators who want to control speech and insult and look down on ordinary Americans.
- My opinion on racism is worthless because I'm not black.
- My opinion on the war in Ukraine is worthless because I am not a combat veteran.
I'm so tired of woke dictators who want to control speech and insult and look down on ordinary Americans.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
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My opinion on the war in Ukraine is worthless because I am not a combat veteran.
Never said that. What I was inferring, is all the cheering and support for Ukraine. A corrupt country that is weakening ours. Also if you’ve been in combat the reporters in Kyiv have no idea what is going on. But go ahead and trust, buy, and debate with propaganda in favor of one over another.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
What actual cost is the US bearing? Disposing of old weapons and ammo which we would have to pay to dispose over the next few years? The majority thus far are not anything that has been paid for in the last 2 decades, if not 3.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:35 pm to momentoftruth87
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I’ll stick with my argument that combat veterans have a lot different thoughts than someone who never deployed to a combat zone.
Every vet who has served in a hot war who I know in real life is pro Ukraine kicking Russia's behind. I don't know about internet ones who may or may not have actually served at all
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:35 pm to CitizenK
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What actual cost is the US bearing? Disposing of old weapons and ammo which we would have to pay to dispose over the next few years? The majority thus far are not anything that has been paid for in the last 2 decades, if not 3.
Then what are all the billions upon billions of US dollars being approved by US Congress being used for? That such a ridiculous argument
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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How is it different than discussing whether or not we should be giving Ukraine F-16s? That’s policy.
Giving, leasing, or selling Ukraine fighters or MBTs isn’t going to require a debate or a vote in Congress because it’s already been approved by Congress when Lens-Lease was approved. The distribution of aid is a strategic, tactical, and logistical issue, but it’s not a domestic political issue. Saying that the USA should leave NATO is 100% political issue. Sorry you can’t see the distinction.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:41 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Then what are all the billions upon billions of US dollars being approved by US Congress being used for? That such a ridiculous argument
Not at all, this is for the most part an accounting procedure since they are on the books for those numbers. They are all going to be disposed of anyway and at cost to taxpayers. These dollars were actually spent a longtime ago, but still are on the books for X dollars. They still have to be approved but the nutters or those who think Putin is hot stuff in Congress don't seem to understand that, same in forums and elsewhere on the internet
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:43 pm to momentoftruth87
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I’ll stick with my argument that combat veterans have a lot different thoughts than someone who never deployed to a combat zone.
By my count this is your THIRD position.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:44 pm to WeeWee
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Giving, leasing, or selling Ukraine fighters or MBTs isn’t going to require a debate or a vote in Congress because it’s already been approved by Congress when Lens-Lease was approved.
So it did require a debate and vote in Congress.
quote:Strategic specifically is very very much a political issue.
The distribution of aid is a strategic, tactical, and logistical issue, but it’s not a domestic political issue.
quote:But not a domestic one. It is quite literally a foreign policy topic very much related to the war in Ukraine.
Saying that the USA should leave NATO is 100% political issue.
Face it, you’re mincing your words and deflecting because in your opinion only what you deem appropriate should be open for discussion in this thread. Either that or you don’t realize that this war, and in fact every war in the history of war, is a political issue.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:49 pm to CitizenK
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Not at all, this is for the most part an accounting procedure since they are on the books for those numbers. They are all going to be disposed of anyway and at cost to taxpayers. These dollars were actually spent a longtime ago, but still are on the books for X dollars. They still have to be approved but the nutters or those who think Putin is hot stuff in Congress don't seem to understand that, same in forums and elsewhere on the internet
You are fricking high man
The vast vast majority of military sent to Ukraine wasn’t sitting in some junk yard waiting to be disposed of. Our M777’s and HIMARS are all still relatively new systems. the Scan Eagle Switchblade drones are all off the shelf new. The 10K Javelin missiles weren’t just waiting to be disposed of. You literally just make shite up all the time. Like the 3 times in this thread you’ve claimed HIMARS was some old system from the Cold War. You can support aid to Ukraine all you want but you don’t have to make shite up to defend your position.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:51 pm to CitizenK
Are we negatively impacting our training in order to train all these Ukrainians?
How much additional cost or we are incurring to backfill supplied ornaments?
Correction: armaments (dang voice recognition)
How much additional cost or we are incurring to backfill supplied ornaments?
Correction: armaments (dang voice recognition)
This post was edited on 1/16/23 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:57 pm to TigersnJeeps
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backfill supplied ornaments?
I think our Christmas trees will be fine brother
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:59 pm to TigersnJeeps
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How much additional cost or we are incurring to backfill supplied ornaments?
The omnibus bill passed by Congress last month contained just over $11 billion to purchase weapons to replace those sent to Ukraine.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
Yikes. MIC stacked, taxpayers fricked.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
I'm still thinking about the Challenger 2 tanks the UK is sending.
One of the things that is very interesting is that the British currently deploy 227 Challenger 2s, but they only plan to upgrade 148 of them to the new Challenger 3. The plan was for the other 79 of them to be retired. Though today's commitment was only for 14 tanks, that would seem to indicate that another 50 or so could eventually be sent.
Another thing that I noticed is that the Challenger 2 is actually a heavier tank than the M1A1 -- about ten tons heavier, depending on the exact configurations. One of the main reasons that people have been saying that the Abrams isn't a good tank for Ukraine is that it's too heavy, and Ukrainian roads and bridges aren't designed to support that weight. So, it's interesting that the first NATO-manufactured MBT that Ukraine gets is even heavier.
One of the things that is very interesting is that the British currently deploy 227 Challenger 2s, but they only plan to upgrade 148 of them to the new Challenger 3. The plan was for the other 79 of them to be retired. Though today's commitment was only for 14 tanks, that would seem to indicate that another 50 or so could eventually be sent.
Another thing that I noticed is that the Challenger 2 is actually a heavier tank than the M1A1 -- about ten tons heavier, depending on the exact configurations. One of the main reasons that people have been saying that the Abrams isn't a good tank for Ukraine is that it's too heavy, and Ukrainian roads and bridges aren't designed to support that weight. So, it's interesting that the first NATO-manufactured MBT that Ukraine gets is even heavier.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
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One of the main reasons that people have been saying that the Abrams isn't a good tank for Ukraine is that it's too heavy
Anyone saying that has never been assigned to an armor unit. If you move ever served under a green and yellow or red and white guidon, you know that that's bullshite. I've been in an Abrams all over Germany and Bosnia in an Abrams.
ETA--add Hungary to that as well. Had to go to Taszar, Hungary to do a live fire exercise and gunnery. We dealt with the mud and muck of Europe just fine.
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