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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:07 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:07 pm to Joshjrn
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the mainstream MAGA position currently seems to be that we shouldn't be involved, at all, in the current Russia/Ukraine conflict. Yet, the MAGA acolytes also claim that Putin behaved because he was afraid of Trump's retaliatory strength.
Isn’t what’s happening in Ukraine proof of the retaliatory strength Trump and Obama had? Its why Obama never was seen as likely to use it and why Biden only really did after war already started even after having gave to face with Putin at end of 2021 (if he stayed awake. Maybe Musk should give Biden one of the StayWoke shirts he found at Twitter HQ).
Mainstream MAGA??? What % of MAGA voters do you consider to be mainstream compared to Biden voters?
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These positions are internally contradictory.
No different than after Russia involvement in Georgia became a 2008 election issue supporting almost 8 years of a Russian reset including making fun of concern about Russia, approving sale of uranium mine, caught on hot mic sending back channel message to Putin, weak sanctions for Ukraine invasions and Malaysian Air shoot down, looking other way at re-borderization in Georgia, treaty with Russia’s partner on crime Iran and paying them billions in cash, and giving stand down order stopping any retaliation for cyber attacks; and then supporting in 2016 turning them back into the evil empire and attempting to tie political opponent to them after losing 2016 election.
Or not believing Russia or its state media unless it’s about them pushing that if Republicans had won both houses Russia would have used them as allies.
Or the party of peace constantly getting into wars.
I wonder how many Democrats would be so gung ho about spending so much money for war without their elites pushing fake Russia Trump collision.
This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 12:15 am
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:20 pm to dallastigers
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Isn’t what’s happening in Ukraine proof of the retaliatory strength Trump and Obama had? It why Obama never was seen as likely to use it and why Biden only really did after war already started even after having gave to face with Putin at end of 2021 (if he stayed awake. Maybe Musk should give Biden one of the StayWoke shirts he found at Twitter HQ).
So you're saying that you believe, and would have supported, Trump retaliating against Russia even stronger than Biden has?
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Mainstream MAGA??? What % of MAGA voters do you consider to be mainstream compared to Biden voters?
Some of you have become so obsessed with being an outsider that it's become difficult to speak with you... I mean "mainstream" within MAGA. In the same way that I might use "mainstream libertarian" to mean the majority libertarian position, not to mean that libertarians are mainstream.
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No different than after Russia involvement in Georgia became a 2008 election issue supporting almost 8 years of a Russian reset including making fun of concern about Russia, approving sale of uranium mine, caught on hot mic sending back channel message to Putin, weak sanctions for Ukraine invasions and Malaysian Air shoot down, looking other way at re-borderization in Georgia, treaty with Russia’s partner on crime Iran and paying them billions in cash, and giving stand down order stopping any retaliation for cyber attacks; and then supporting in 2016 turning them back into the evil empire and attempting to tie political opponent to a them after losing 2016 election.
Or not believing Russia or its state media unless it’s about them pushing that if Republicans had won both houses Russia would have used them as allies.
Or the party of peace constantly getting into wars.
I wonder how many Democrats would be so gung ho about spending so much money for war without their elites pushing fake Russia Trump collision.
I have no idea what all of this babbling is about. Are you under the impression that I support Obama or something?
Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:56 pm to CitizenK
Norway sent Ukraine an M109 self propelled howitzer, 55,000 pieces of winter clothing, 55,000 bandages and 30,000 dry ration packs. I’m sure Ukraine needs all the firepower it can muster with most all of it’s PzH self propelled howitzers they got from Germany currently out of service needing replacement parts that can’t be found at the moment. The German gun is really good but this isn’t the first time Ukraine has had problems with them. They don’t seem to like a heavy workload and they supposedly take damage easily from incoming fire even if it’s just shrapnel from a miss hit. Just kind of goes to show you how much these soldiers are truly in the shite like no other we have seen around the world in a long time. This is a very dirty and personal war.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 11:13 pm to LSUPilot07
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Just kind of goes to show you how much these soldiers are truly in the shite like no other we have seen around the world in a long time. This is a very dirty and personal war.
From the videos, it appears Ukraine and Russia are simply firing every round they can get their hands on as quickly as they can acquire it. They're likely using these weapons so far beyond their manufacturer-recommended maintenance standards that it's a test these weapons have never seen before.
We are so used to seeing the United States use superior firepower that is brought back to a base and maintained as needed. These guys are just shooting everything they have to survive.
Posted on 11/25/22 at 11:44 pm to TigersSEC2010
Some of the Polish Krab self propelled howitzers have shot more than 6,000 rounds on barrels rated for 1500. It’s a desperate affair that’s for sure but you have to give Ukraine some credit for showing some serious balls not just holding out but pushing back a much larger military.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:01 am to jeffsdad
isw update
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Reports of poorly staffed, provisioned, and supplied Russian mobilized personnel are dividing the Russian information space, exposing the tension between milblogger mobilization narratives, Wagner Group narratives, and actual Russian efforts to alleviate morale issues.
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Russian milblogger responses split between calling for compassion for the mobilized personnel and punishment only for leadership, and punishment for the entire unit.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin falsely presented a meeting with 18 hand-picked women holding influential positions in the Russian political sphere as an open discussion with the mothers of mobilized personnel on November 25, two days before Russian Mother’s Day.[8]
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An investigation by Forbes’ Ukrainian service revealed the extent of the financial strains that the war in Ukraine has imposed on Russia’s annual budget. Forbes found that Russia has spent $82 billion dollars on the first nine months of the war in Ukraine, amounting to one quarter of its entire 2021 annual budget of $340 billion.[15] The investigation emphasized the impact that mobilization had on military-related expenditures since October and observed that providing for the 300,000 mobilized cost an additional $1.8 billion per month in addition to the increased costs of providing ammunition, equipment, and salaries to mobilized recruits, which in total amounted to a $2.7 billion increase following mobilization. ISW has previously reported on the detrimental effects of mobilization and the Kremlin’s overall war effort on the Russian federal budget.[16] In addition to the massive impact the first nine months of the war have had on the federal budget, ISW has also observed that local Russian administrations on the regional level have disproportionately borne the brunt of mobilization in a way that will continue to have reverberating social and financial impacts into 2023.[17]
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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) may have increased the frequency of prisoner of war (POW) exchanges in an attempt to soothe discontent in the information space regarding its prior failures to negotiate the return of Russian POWs.
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A Ukrainian official confirmed that Ukrainian forces killed Iranian advisors in Russian-occupied Crimea in October and stressed that Ukraine would target any Iranian military presence on Ukrainian territory.
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Russian leadership may be distributing a document among Russian servicemembers stating that Russia needs to mobilize five million personnel to win the war in Ukraine, an impossible task for the Russian Federation.
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Key Takeaways
Reports of a group of understaffed and ill-supplied mobilized personnel are dividing the Russian information space.
President Vladimir Putin falsely presented a meeting with hand-picked women as an open discussion with mothers of mobilized personnel.
An investigation by Forbes’ Ukrainian service revealed that the war in Ukraine has had a serious financial impact on the Russian Federation’s annual budget.
The Russian MoD may have increased the frequency of POW exchanges to soothe discontent in the Russian information space.
A Ukrainian official confirmed that Ukrainian forces killed Iranian military advisors in Russian-occupied Crimea and threatened to target Iranian military presence on Ukrainian territory.
Russian military leadership may be circulating a document stating that Russia needs to mobilize five million personnel to win the war in Ukraine, which Russia cannot do.
Russian forces conducted limited counterattacks to regain lost positions northwest of Svatove and Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations toward Kreminna.
Russian forces continued to conduct offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Avdiivka areas, and influential Russian figures may be setting informational conditions to deflect blame for a lack of progress in the Bakhmut area.
Russian forces continued to establish defenses south of the Dnipro River in Kherson Oblast and around critical ground lines of communication (GLOCs) connecting Crimea to southern Kherson Oblast.
Russian sources and officials continue attempts to shape the narrative around a likely second partial mobilization while denying the potential for general mobilization.
Russian officials are continuing efforts to stimulate demographic change in occupied areas of Ukraine by deporting Ukrainian residents and replacing them with imported Russian citizens.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:08 am to LSUPilot07
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Some of the Polish Krab self propelled howitzers have shot more than 6,000 rounds on barrels rated for 1500. It’s a desperate affair that’s for sure but you have to give Ukraine some credit for showing some serious balls not just holding out but pushing back a much larger military.
Can't tubes be replaced?
Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:11 am to Joshjrn
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So you're saying that you believe, and would have supported, Trump retaliating against Russia even stronger than Biden has?
Why do you assume this invasion would have still taken place or that Biden didn’t give same weak threats and winks in 2021 as under Obama before this invasion started and before Hunter’s laptop could no longer be ignored?
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Some of you have become so obsessed with being an outsider that it's become difficult to speak with you... I mean "mainstream" within MAGA. In the same way that I might use "mainstream libertarian" to mean the majority libertarian position, not to mean that libertarians are mainstream.
So define “mainstream within MAGA” in comparison to “MAGA acolytes. Also what is the % of MAGA voters you consider to be regular old mainstream compared to Biden voters. If I would have meant mainstream MAGA with that part I wouldn’t have left out the MAGA part.
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I have no idea what all of this babbling is about. Are you under the impression that I support Obama or something?
Some of you have become so obsessed with identity politics, labels, supporting Ukraine the way Democrats say, & ignoring your own contradictions while trying to pointing out the contradictions of others that it's become difficult to speak with you...
Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:24 am to CitizenK
Sure but you still have to pull them off the line when they don’t have enough guns as it is and that’s not even before considering what their replacement parts situation is with those systems.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 6:57 am to CitizenK
There's a NY Times article on the situation with wear and tear on artillery.
As far as the German SPGs go, Lithuania has set up a repair facility and already repaired seven of them and sent them back.
It's just that all this is awkward and difficult, because Poland and Lithuania are so far from the front lines, and this kind of repair system leaves those guns out of action for a very long time while also putting yet another strain on Ukrainian logistics.
The good news is that the Russian problems with their artillery are likely worse.
As far as the German SPGs go, Lithuania has set up a repair facility and already repaired seven of them and sent them back.
It's just that all this is awkward and difficult, because Poland and Lithuania are so far from the front lines, and this kind of repair system leaves those guns out of action for a very long time while also putting yet another strain on Ukrainian logistics.
The good news is that the Russian problems with their artillery are likely worse.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 6:59 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 26 November 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia is likely removing the nuclear warheads from ageing nuclear cruise missiles and firing the unarmed munitions at Ukraine. Open source imagery shows wreckage of an apparently shot-down AS-15 KENT air launched cruise missile (ALCM), designed in the 1980s exclusively as a nuclear delivery system. The warhead had probably been substituted for ballast.
Although such an inert system will still produce some damage through the missile's kinetic energy and I any unspent fuel, it is unlikely to achieve reliable effects against intended targets. Russia almost certainly hopes such missiles will function as decoys and divert Ukrainian air defences.
Whatever Russia's intent, this improvisation highlights the level of depletion in Russia's stock of long-range missiles.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 26 November 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia is likely removing the nuclear warheads from ageing nuclear cruise missiles and firing the unarmed munitions at Ukraine. Open source imagery shows wreckage of an apparently shot-down AS-15 KENT air launched cruise missile (ALCM), designed in the 1980s exclusively as a nuclear delivery system. The warhead had probably been substituted for ballast.
Although such an inert system will still produce some damage through the missile's kinetic energy and I any unspent fuel, it is unlikely to achieve reliable effects against intended targets. Russia almost certainly hopes such missiles will function as decoys and divert Ukrainian air defences.
Whatever Russia's intent, this improvisation highlights the level of depletion in Russia's stock of long-range missiles.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:05 am to LSUPilot07
Pictures from around Bakhumt


Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:05 am to LSUPilot07
Double post
This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 7:06 am
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:36 am to StormyMcMan
Those look like stills from the new “All Quiet on the Western Front”
This post was edited on 11/26/22 at 7:37 am
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:42 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's just that all this is awkward and difficult, because Poland and Lithuania are so far from the front lines, and this kind of repair system leaves those guns out of action for a very long time while also putting yet another strain on Ukrainian logistics.
Is there a reason that the Ukrainians can’t set up a repair facility closer to the front?
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:42 am to StormyMcMan
Attacking from across that stubble of stumps is going to lead to mass casualties, and has.
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:46 am to stout
quote:LOL
And he apparently knows for a fact that Russia prefers Trump and was hoping for a red wave.
this is literally verbatim from russian state media
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:49 am to WestCoastAg
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this is literally verbatim from russian state media
Can you provide a link?
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:50 am to Cobra Tate
quote:@obtuse
Can you provide a link?
Posted on 11/26/22 at 7:56 am to WestCoastAg
Can you not provide a link or is @obtuse some twitter account to get the info from?
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