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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:23 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:23 am to
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What, that the average person would rather secure the border than give ten times that amount of cash to a bullshite war in Europe?


And you are in a silly cult that thinks 10 billion will be all it takes to 'fix' the border. You should just go away until you pay AbuTheMonkey his money. Your logorrhea is boring. You've been wrong about all your predictions, and will continually move the goalposts. Your rhetorical style couldn't convince a man to jizz while in a whorehouse. Your retard strength is that you are impervious to logical arguments from people who know more than you. Go write some drivel about cancel culture somewhere. Or you could do like I suggested and start your own separate thread where I can then make fun of you relentlessly.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38174 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 10:37 am to
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Why do we give a shite about Ukraine again?


Because Raytheon, Boeing, Halliburton, and Lockheed need a payout after war in Afghanistan and ME ran dry.

NATO being a joke, as usual. Ukraine is at least partially to blame for this. Their "air defense" apparently has no self-destruct capability and they way they're setup they can end up in Poland?


DOn't worry, with the overwhelming Red Wave from last week and God Empress MTG in charge of congress, the FTX slush fund will be cut off and Russia will march on Kiev any day!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:08 am to
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You really are a complete idiot 100% controlled by emotions and by all your posts totally lacking in intellectual capability.



He just comes here because he's desperate for attention, and you give it to him.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14958 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:31 am to
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So, it sounds like what happened in Oleshky was a raid and not an attempt to establish a beachhead.

This video seems to indicate that Oleshky has been abandoned by Russia.
LINK
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:53 am to
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What, that the average person would rather secure the border than give ten times that amount of cash to a bull shite war in Europe? Sorry I don’t need a link to tell you that. You’re in a warmongering cult that won’t ever hear the other side of argument.


Those "bull shite wars" in Europe have in the past forced American intervention and caused the suffering of millions. Like or not the US has a vested role in maintaining the rules based order in Europe and the world. I would rather fight the Russians here in Ukraine (where we don't have treaty obligations) than in Warsaw, Tallinn, Riga, or Vilnius where we do. The aid we're giving to Ukraine is probably the most worthwhile expenditure of foreign aid in recent history: we are tying the Russians in a quagmire of their own making, causing the degradation of Russian conventional forces and equipment, and removing Russia as a conventional threat to greater Europe for a decade or more as they rebuild their forces all without the cost of American blood.

I was a non-interventionist/isolationist growing up but realized in the modern world that policy will not work. Vast oceans no longer give protection and I don't want to live in a world dominated by China or Russia.
Posted by DrAnonymous
Member since Nov 2022
90 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:54 am to
Meanwhile CNN got a timeout for showing Ukringian teen/youthster with Uki flag seig heiling on national TV:

LINK

This is an interesting way to salute your country:


This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 11:55 am
Posted by DrAnonymous
Member since Nov 2022
90 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 11:59 am to
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I was a non-interventionist/isolationist growing up but realized in the modern world that policy will not work. Vast oceans no longer give protection and I don't want to live in a world dominated by China or Russia.


You're doing nothing to fight China. China owns huge amounts of US debt, has hug tracts of agricultural land, and killing us with fentanyl by importing it through Mexico.
LINK

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This investigation sought to better situate Mexico’s role in the fentanyl trade. Chinese companies produce the vast majority of fentanyl, fentanyl analogues, and fentanyl precursors, but Mexico is becoming a major transit and production point for the drug and its analogues as well, and Mexican traffickers appear to be playing a role in its distribution in the United States.




So you were half intelligent when you were young, and then regressed. It happens.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:05 pm to
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Some results from today's Ukraine Contact Group meeting: $270 million security package from Sweden; 2 more HAWK missile launches from Spain; $500 million from Canada (+winter gear); MLRS from Germany; short range air defense from Poland - @SecDef


Plus, Croatia is giving Ukraine 14 helicopters.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105315 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:05 pm to
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removing Russia as a conventional threat to greater Europe for a decade or more as they rebuild their forces all without the cost of American blood.


Nearly all of Russia's military power is legacy equipment from the Soviet era. Given it's economic and demographic woes it's unlikely to ever restore what's been lost. The only way forward is democratization, which would also remove Russia is a military threat. Otherwise Russia sinks into irrelevance. Win-Win.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:08 pm to
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This video seems to indicate that Oleshky has been abandoned by Russia.


I think it's a no man's land. Holding it would expose either side to artillery bombardment.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8618 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:13 pm to
You talk about Zelensky and how terrible he is but never hear a peep about Putin, the guy that started this war. Why is that? Do you have brain damage? Literally everything you say is so backwards and fricked beyond recognition that it amazes me. Why don’t you say anything about Putin? It’s always Zelensky.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11854 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:26 pm to
OML does repeatedly say Putin is terrible, but where he falls down is that for practical purposes he expects Putin to keep agreements that the US and other western powers would have to pressure Ukraine to accept. OML thinks Ukraine should be pressured into taking such a deal nevertheless and most others on this thread don't. Particularly, he's especially wrong to think that Putin is BOTH (A) unreliable enough to nuke the west should we support Ukraine pushing Russia back out of the country AND (B) reliable enough to hold to a deal.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
1014 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:34 pm to
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has hug tracts of agricultural land,


China does not own huge tracts of U.S. agricultural land.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29741 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:49 pm to
Politico

2020, Chinese investors owned about 192,000 acres of U.S. agricultural land valued at about $1.9 billion, according to Politico
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:50 pm to
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This video seems to indicate that Oleshky has been abandoned by Russia


The Ukes are all over the east bank of the river. They don’t want it advertised.

They asked the mayor of Oleshky to take down his website welcoming the Ukrainian soldiers back home. He did.

Oleshky is in the middle of nowhere in a sparsely populated part of Kherson Oblast. The Orcs know they would lose great numbers of their forces there so they’re retreating towards Crimea.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105315 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:51 pm to
In the eighties it was the Japanese buying real estate. They can't pick it up and haul it back to their country.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15762 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:52 pm to
A friend's family owned 30,000 acres of rice plus 70,000 acres of timber, with cattle on both. There are LOTS and LOTS of large farms owned by families but incorporated for obvious reasons
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105315 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:53 pm to
The biggest landowner in Catahoula Parish is a Belgian insurance company.
This post was edited on 11/16/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6093 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:54 pm to
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Politico

2020, Chinese investors owned about 192,000 acres of U.S. agricultural land valued at about $1.9 billion, according to Politico



This is smaller than East Baton Rouge Parish.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15762 posts
Posted on 11/16/22 at 12:54 pm to
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What, that the average person would rather secure the border than give ten times that amount of cash to a bullshite war in Europe?


YOu have zero idea of what average is, being blow average as you are.

FTR, there is zero reason that both cannot be done at the same time. Spending on national security by backing Ukraine is actually cheap as hell. It takes nothing away from any border fixes.
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