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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:37 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:37 pm to
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I thought landmines were outlawed by the Geneva Convention.

Were these the Russian's own mines?

Are they Ukraine's and the West is sort of turning a blind eye?

Is this a different type of mine that doesn't pertain to the bans?



The ban is actually the Anti-personnel Landmine Convention which neither the US nor Russia are signatories, Ukraine is but I don't know if they have specifically breached it depending on the types of mines they have laid.

IIRC the only real land mine issue in the Geneva convention is the type of fragments that can be used. They are required to show up on X-ray so no glass for example.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

I thought landmines were outlawed by the Geneva Convention.


No, but doing so indiscriminately is.

quote:

Placing minefields without marking and recording them for later removal is considered a war crime under Protocol II of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, which is itself an annex to the Geneva Conventions.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:41 pm to
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"Kissing the icon in the lap" is an awesome euphemism.


I wonder what their euphemism is for this left behind with the gold teeth:



Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:41 pm to
I wonder how that works with mines deployed by Artillery or air

You could know the general vicinity, but not the actual locations
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:42 pm to
Evidently, they call it an Icon
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:45 pm to
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Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but in the last few days, since Friday, official UKR sources and Zelenskyy himself have been going out of their way to say they will negotiate with Russia, but refuse to do it with Putin in charge. Interesting signaling.


I have. If I’m not mistaken he even signed some sort or decree saying such.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:48 pm to
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The ban is actually the Anti-personnel Landmine Convention which neither the US nor Russia are signatories, Ukraine is but I don't know if they have specifically breached it depending on the types of mines they have laid.

IIRC the only real land mine issue in the Geneva convention is the type of fragments that can be used.
They are required to show up on X-ray so no glass for example.


For anti-personnel landmines, reference the Ottawa Convention.

The United States is a non-signatory.

quote:

The Obama administration undertook a review of its policy towards the Ottawa Convention and in 2014 expressed an intention to eventually accede to the treaty. US policy under President Obama banned the production and acquisition of APLs as well as use of the weapons outside of the Korean Peninsula. 

 In sharp contrast to President Obama’s landmine policy, the Trump administration allowed the production and deployment of APLs anywhere in the world in 2020, although there was no known new use or production during his presidency. Two years later, the Biden administration announced that it would be rolling back the Trump administration’s policy, essentially returning to the 2014 approach. The Biden administration’s policy aligned U.S. APL policy outside of the Korean peninsula “with the key requirements of the Ottawa Convention – the international treaty prohibiting the use, stockpiling, production, and transfer of APL.”




Giving them all to Ukraine is not exactly stockpiling, so I see no issue.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 6:53 pm
Posted by Realityintheface
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:48 pm to
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Don't know if anyone else has noticed, but in the last few days, since Friday, official UKR sources and Zelenskyy himself have been going out of their way to say they will negotiate with Russia, but refuse to do it with Putin in charge. Interesting signaling.


Pretty smart. Get rid of him and we can end this.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:54 pm to
Russia had sold a bunch of T80-S tanks to India. -S is the variant for this model.

They must have decided they needed them more.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1577428604396269568
quote:

Russia is now deploying T-90S tanks to Ukraine. Possible that these were intended for India but Russia chose to send them to the Russian military because of heavy tank losses.

Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:58 pm to
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Russia had sold a bunch of T80-S tanks to India. -S is the variant for this model.


India cancelled two orders last spring. Perhaps seeing them function in battle played a role in the decision
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 6:59 pm to
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I wonder what their euphemism is for this left behind with the gold teeth:


Sick mfers
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:04 pm to
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T80-S

I have an idea what the ‘S’ stands for.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 7:32 pm to
I guess it’s all about what you prefer in a tank. The Russian tanks tend to be much smaller and lighter which makes them more mobile but in a full on tank vs tank battle on even ground they would be slaughtered by western tanks since tanks like the Abrams and Challenger 2 are much larger and heavier with better trained crews and targeting systems. I’m sure you could make 3 or 4 T-90s for the price of one M1A2 though although I don’t have exact numbers on how much each cost off the top of my head.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:40 pm to
Pfarrer map of the eastern front.

The southern offensive seems to be getting all the attention right now.
https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1577420110796492800
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IZIUM/2215 UTC 4 OCT/ UKR has expanded positions on the E bank of the Oskil River. RU Lines of Communication and Supply (LOCS) are now under bombardment. P-66 & H-26 HWYs being interdicted by UAV controlled precision strike artillery.


Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:46 pm to
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1577449033328693248
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???? have advanced rapidly in the north of Kherson and are confirmed to have liberated the settlements of Davdyiv Brid, Mala Oleksandrivka, Velyka Oleksandrivka, Starosillya, Novopetrivka, Petropavilvka, Ukrainka, and Dudchany.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:56 pm to
The Russian Mil Blogger space is starting to get angry.
https://t.me/cmiye/7529
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The fact that Khokhols can concentrate large forces to break through in the offensive sector, deliver 2 main attacks at the same time, knock out artillery and work in our rear of the DRG, speaks of the level of their operational art and technical equipment. If we know that the Khokhol is concentrating large forces and preparing a strike, we do not take the necessary measures, we do not create defensive lines, including using civilian equipment, we do not act on the enemy’s communication routes in their at least the nearest rear, we do not mine possible approaches, in including using MLRS for this (or we do it formally, for show), then this speaks of our level of operational art.

I repeat once again, we have forces for defense. The enemy did not create an overwhelming superiority in manpower, and even more so in technology. Those defensive lines where we act more or less competently do not break through. Those units and subunits that do not abandon their equipment and do not run to the rear confidently hold their positions, like the same 126th coastal defense brigade of the Black Sea Fleet. Now the main issue (and this is always the main issue of any war) is well-organized logistics, which includes, among other things, the replenishment of units with personnel, the withdrawal of battered units to rest and replenishment, and not just an uninterrupted supply of ammunition.

Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:07 pm to
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Sick mfers


I got a little queasy when I saw that collection of gold. Sick mfers indeed. Pathologically sick.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:48 pm to
Good stuff Chrome, thanks for the effort.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:06 am to
While not officially there is most definitely US military fighting in Ukraine.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 12:50 am to
Here is the trailer for Chromedome's next map series.

And here is the live footage of newly mobilized reinforcements from Irkutsk en route to save Kherson.

What a great week.
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