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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:12 pm to YankeeBama
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:12 pm to YankeeBama
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OK, who is flexing their muscles and why?
Could be the US, Could be the UK, could be a Nordic country. We will see.
So you are so convinced that someone is flexing their muscles but you can't answer who or why? Got it.
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:18 pm to OMLandshark
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We’re well beyond my worst case scenario with Biden being President barring China invading Taiwan. Afghanistan was a worst case scenario. I do think y’all are underestimating how bad winter is going to be though, specifically in Europe.
If this is your worst-case scenario, you have some very benign worst-case scenarios.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:18 pm to SoonerK
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So you are so convinced that someone is flexing their muscles but you can't answer who or why? Got it.
They are allies. Does it matter?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:21 pm to OMLandshark
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That seems like an awfully big risk by Russia though.
Have you followed Russian actions throughout the war? They've taken massive risks as soon as they invaded. They keep taking massive risks to stabilize their lines. They brought up the nuclear rhetoric. They consider this an existential crisis. Yet in this manner, they would suddenly act so dispassionately that would not take this risk in particular, when they've taken several bigger risks before.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:22 pm to YankeeBama
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So you are so convinced that someone is flexing their muscles but you can't answer who or why? Got it.
They are allies. Does it matter?
So the U.S. and or its allies. Now answer why.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
Seems legit
James Waterhouse
@JamWaterhouse
No need to sit down, but ????-installed officials have announced the preliminary results of their “referendums” in occupied Ukraine:
- 97% in Kherson region
- 98% in Zaporizhzhia
- 98% in “Donetsk People’s Republic”
- 98% in “Luhansk People’s Republic”
James Waterhouse
@JamWaterhouse
No need to sit down, but ????-installed officials have announced the preliminary results of their “referendums” in occupied Ukraine:
- 97% in Kherson region
- 98% in Zaporizhzhia
- 98% in “Donetsk People’s Republic”
- 98% in “Luhansk People’s Republic”
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:22 pm to TigerDoc
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I think he's saying Putin is trying to keep the Serbs and Luka on side. *wink wink"
The point is that Nordstream 1 and 2 bypass Ukraine, where the Elites in U.S. including Pelosi, Kerry and Biden all have interests. Now those pipelines are more lucrative
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:23 pm to SoonerK
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This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:25 pm to YankeeBama
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I think he's saying Putin is trying to keep the Serbs and Luka on side. *wink wink"
The point is that Nordstream 1 and 2 bypass Ukraine, where the Elites in U.S. including Pelosi, Kerry and Biden all have interests. Now those pipelines are more lucrative
There it is. Only took a little prodding to get the crazy out of you.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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This post was edited on 6/4/26 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:27 pm to SlimTigerSlap
Medvedev is "welcoming them home" and Putin has a big speech in a few days in which he'll try to tell the nation that mobilization in justified in defending these territories that so clearly want to be Russian. 
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:27 pm to YankeeBama
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No. Don’t look at that. We must blame Russia. There is no way Biden would sacrifice innocent Germans.
Actions have consequences. There isn't any other way in geopolitics. The Germans took the risk that economic integration with Russia would mitigate some of their insane saber-rattling and paranoia. They were right, to an extent, but you can't save the paranoid if they want to be paranoid. They also know that it was a risk, as wings of German politics were overtly critical of Germany's approach.
Let's say that the US was responsible. Things don't happen in a vacuum. Why would the US do something like that right now, as Russia talks about annexation? Don't you think things might be related?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:27 pm to SoonerK
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There it is. Only took a little prodding to get the crazy out of you.
What’s crazy about eliminating competition? Take personal interest out of it, still a lucrative move for everyone not named Russia. I’m just spitballing reasons, I don’t know why. Like I’ve said numerous times. I just believe that it isn’t Russia.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:30 pm to YankeeBama
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Care to make a Ban bet? I’ll take Russia didn’t do it. You can take Russia did it?
I don't make bets when there is a paucity of facts, we all have gut feelings but I don't bet on feelings.
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And no it’s not “feels”. It’s based on reading multiple POV’s and looking at the situation.
LOL, you basically defined deciding based on feels. POVs are not facts, we don't have them and the general public may never have them. You are comfortable in your confirmation bias. I get that.
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This is a muscle flex, plain and simple.
Feels no facts again.
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One that this administration foreshadowed and one that members of the EU are celebrating.
No entity in the history of man has ever used a previous statement by another entity to frame them for an action. Nope never happened. Confirmation bias at work again.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:31 pm to OMLandshark
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I’m saying his presidency writ large. I really don’t see anything Xi Jinping would do differently if he were President and was trying to intentionally destroy America from within.
Wow, again, you have some utterly benign worst-case scenarios. My god you are straight-up sheltered. You desperately need some perspective. Go volunteer at a free clinic or something. Then you'll see several real-life worst-case scenarios play out. When I'm there, it's like each patient tells me the saddest story I've ever heard in my fricking life, which repeatedly gives me perspective on what I have. You live in a bubble of your own making. Your framing of things is informed by your own experience, but it also has made you retarded.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:33 pm to YankeeBama
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What’s crazy about eliminating competition? Take personal interest out of it, still a lucrative move for everyone not named Russia. I’m just spitballing reasons, I don’t know why. Like I’ve said numerous times. I just believe that it isn’t Russia.
what part of neither NORD 1 or 2 were supplying gas to europe do you not understand??? and why the frick do you keep ignoring that question?
and serioulsy you are so bad you have me upvoting douchebags like tboy and mccgrath...jesus fricking christ
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:38 pm to lsu777
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what part of neither NORD 1 or 2 were supplying gas to europe do you not understand??? and why the frick do you keep ignoring that question?
WSJ
You can’t be serious. Just because they weren’t currently supplying NG, doesn’t mean that it isn’t the fiercest competitor in the region. Name another pipeline that has more capabilities in capacity.
This post was edited on 9/27/22 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:40 pm to Obtuse1
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Do they run pigs in gas lines like oil lines?
Yes
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If so could a pig (as is or modified) be used to move an explosive charge into position from either end of the pipeline. Or are their other means to move a charge besides a pig. This seems like the best means to blow the pipe undetected.
I don't see why not
Posted on 9/27/22 at 2:43 pm to YankeeBama
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Take personal interest out of it, still a lucrative move for everyone not named Russia.
Is it? The gas in the pipelines in the Ukraine is still Russian gas. There have been several instances where Russia cut off that gas supply due to issues with Ukraine. It's not like it has to pump it or something. Ukraine still has to pay
If you don't want your natural resources to be at stake in geopolitical conflicts, then maybe you should use your natural resources as bargaining chips to begin with, as Russia has done repeatedly. Ukraine still has to pay Russia for the gas too.
I don't know who was behind the sabotage, but ruling out Russia because it is now somehow not lucrative for them now is silly. The cost of using gas as a bargaining chip, as they have done since at least 2006, runs several risks, which apparently can't be pointed out in favor of some vague notion of more lucrative interests at play.
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