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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:37 am to immobileman
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:37 am to immobileman
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I truly think he is a good guy fighting against his own deep state while trying to expose the West for all our wrongdoings that CNN/Fox won’t report.
I'm a little late but
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:38 am to WeeWee
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Thanks for providing 2 more examples of Biden following instead of leading.
I don't think that you and I disagree all that much. I do think that the US should have supported Ukraine with more equipment and sooner.
But you aren't making the point that you think you are when you say that the US got Romania and Bulgaria to start their 152mm production lines in June. It was only the US that could do it. You are not providing an example of Biden "following" anything, but leading. If Boris was "leading," then why didn't he get Romania and Bulgaria to restart those lines.
I think that Biden has been too cautious, but I understand why he has been cautious, and, ultimately, US leadership is helping Ukraine win the war.
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Biden still refused to supply Poland with F16s so it turned to South Korea.
It's not like there are a bunch of unneeded F-16s in storage. We can't even get them to Taiwan until 2026. Poland has the F-16s that it has, and there wasn't an easy way to get them more. Poland also has orders for 32 F-35s, that I think get delivered in 2024.
Poland is making a sizable increase in its military capabilities, and buying from South Korea is a great way for them to do that quickly. It's not that we don't want to sell to Poland or that they don't want to buy from the US.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:42 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Pipelines are cheaper than LNG tankers and multiple pipelines are cheaper than one. Even the Germans have learned that lesson now. Add LNG tanker gas from the US to a pipeline from the Gulf fields added to a separate pipeline from the fracking gas fields of Western Saudia Arabia,
Any natural gas from the Persian Gulf needs to be LNG. A pipeline from the Persian Gulf requires friendly and stable governments in Iraq and Syria and Turkey. Since Turkey and the EU have chilly relations and Syria and Iraq are far from stable that is a nonstarter. The proposed pipelines from Israel to the EU which western SA gas would feed into via Egypt, all run through Turkey or Turkish waters and then to Greece. Since Israel and Turkey have on-off relations and Turkey and Greece have a terrible relationship that is not the best prospect either. LNG is more expensive, but it offers flexibility in case of a diplomatic dispute or government instability. Also pipelines just make Europe a slave to the whims of Turkey instead of Russia. The pros of LNG offset its cost and it’s faster. Europe could replace Russian gas with LNG by 2024 instead of 2030 with pipelines.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:46 am to GOP_Tiger
"Russian President Vladimir Putin is himself giving directions directly to generals in the field, two sources familiar with US and western intelligence said"
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/russia-military-divided-ukraine-putin/index.html
The jokes write themselves.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/russia-military-divided-ukraine-putin/index.html
The jokes write themselves.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:05 pm to WeeWee
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Weapons deliveries are too late, and the sanctions are too weak for anyone to say with a straight face that Biden is leading. Biden is reacting and following.
I look forward to all your post in this thread, but your Biden hate is coming off cringe in regards to this particular conflict. America is clearly leading.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:21 pm to SlimTigerSlap
I think the Biden Administration is one of the worst, if not the worst, we've ever had. That said, their handling of the war has been decent. I think that's the only thing I've seen them do that I agree with.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:39 pm to SlimTigerSlap
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America is clearly leading.
To agree and expand on what some others have said, our biggest mistake thus seems to have been too little support early in the war, but had Russia been truly capable of rolling over Ukraine, that would've been a reasonable call. Where we seem to have fallen down was in our assessment of the relative strengths of these militaries and the respective societies and governments and whoever it is in the IC and/or US military needs to correct that going forward.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:45 pm to Chromdome35
I have been seeing numerous reports of the Russians pulling people off the street and conscripting them into the army. Any fighting age males arrested for protesting share the same fate.
This is my favorite. Three Russian guys went to counter-protest the anti-war protest. 2 of them end up getting forcibly conscripted right there. Video in link, translation follows.
https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1572701490858594304
Translation
https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1572953405051609089
https://twitter.com/MoiraWig/status/1572979625911029761
Video of conscripts boarding a bus.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572874130382548992
Conscripts boarding a plane somewhere
ETA: Would it not SUCK to be going to the grocery store and be kidnapped off the streets to go fight in Ukraine. Do these people being forcibly conscripted have any chance to get their affairs in order or say goodbye to their families? It's hard for me to wrap my head around.
This is my favorite. Three Russian guys went to counter-protest the anti-war protest. 2 of them end up getting forcibly conscripted right there. Video in link, translation follows.
https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1572701490858594304
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VIDEO of three Russian men who came out in support of Putin`s mobilisation and to condemn the people protesting against it,end up in disbelief as two find themselves being taken away as forced conscripts
Translation
quote:
But wait I support the war effort
Good! come with us then…
But I mean I am here supporting Putin..
Great! This way…
Im trying to say that I am on your side!
Then why are you resisting? Get in the bus
But I’m for the war …
https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1572953405051609089
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Buryatia reports mobilization hell - people are being taken from out of beds, it will soon look during WWII with only females, infants and seniors in most villages.
https://twitter.com/MoiraWig/status/1572979625911029761
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There are reports that some detained anti-war protesters around Russia are being drafted into the military DIRECTLY from the police station
GIRL. Do you realize what a bad idea it is to conscript a bunch of people committed to opposing the war? ??
Yeah, Russias war is finished
Video of conscripts boarding a bus.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572874130382548992
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Sad mobilized men walk to the bus to a dull tune in
Conscripts boarding a plane somewhere
ETA: Would it not SUCK to be going to the grocery store and be kidnapped off the streets to go fight in Ukraine. Do these people being forcibly conscripted have any chance to get their affairs in order or say goodbye to their families? It's hard for me to wrap my head around.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:50 pm to Chromdome35
It looks like they're trying to do close to full mobilization from places they think can get away with it like Buryatia, Dagestan, and Yakutsk and partial mobilization in places like Moscow & St. Petersburg where they think they can't.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:50 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It's not like there are a bunch of unneeded F-16s in storage. We can't even get them to Taiwan until 2026. Poland has the F-16s that it has, and there wasn't an easy way to get them more. Poland also has orders for 32 F-35s, that I think get delivered in 2024
Microchip shortage?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:51 pm to TigerDoc
There are also a lot of reports that the mobilization order was for 1M and not the 300K they have said publically.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:53 pm to Chromdome35
You really feel bad for the Russians being forced to enlist. I worry about post Putin Russia being unstable and don't see how this doesn't backfire on Vlad (end up with him out of power).
Ugly situation for ordinary Russians
Ugly situation for ordinary Russians
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:54 pm to Chromdome35
Via Russian Telegram
https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1572996851791691776
Translated
https://twitter.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1572996851791691776
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Russian propagandists are indignant that it is not possible to provide the mobilized 300K not only with armored vehicles, but even with small arms.
998/
Translated
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:57 pm to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1572967331550339073
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Frontline situation near Lyman:
Ukrainian forces are attempting a pincer towards the north and have broke defences near Ridikodub.
Fighting continues around Drobysheve and Novoselivka.
Ukrainian forces are fighting on the souther and western side of Lyman.
Yampil fighting ensues
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:00 pm to Chromdome35
https://twitter.com/i/events/1572847839637651456
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Vladimir Putin has secretly approved a law that will send a further one million men to fight in Ukraine, a Russian newspaper reported on Thursday.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
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"Russian President Vladimir Putin is himself giving directions directly to generals in the field, two sources familiar with US and western intelligence said"
What a self-deluded tool.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:04 pm to Chromdome35
Secret laws for conscripting millions now? Would love to see facts behind this. If so, they really have gone down the totalitarian toilet.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:09 pm to TBoy
Kiev fired some generals for failing to perform their duties early on. It is believed that Kherson offered very little resistance during the initial days.
Whether they were collaborators or just scared is insignificant, because the end result and decision making was the same.
So a bit of caution is understandable.
Whether they were collaborators or just scared is insignificant, because the end result and decision making was the same.
So a bit of caution is understandable.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:10 pm to Chromdome35
Video of a Russian Ka-52 being shot down by a MANPAD today (supposedly)
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1572975784720998404
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1572975784720998404
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#Ukraine: A Russian Ka-52 attack helicopter was shot down today in #Zaporizhzhia Oblast by the Ukrainian National Guard, apparently using a 9K38 Igla MANPADS.
It manages to land, whilst burning heavily- whilst the crew may have survived, the airframe will not.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 9/22/22 at 1:20 pm to MikeyFL
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What a self-deluded tool.
Hitler moving imaginary armies across a map.
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