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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/19/22 at 5:56 am to
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5747 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 5:56 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 September 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Russia has highly likely lost at least four combat jets in Ukraine within the last 10 days, taking its attrition to approximately 55 since the start of the invasion.

There is a realistic possibility that this uptick in losses is partially a result of the Russian Air Force accepting greater risk as it attempts to provide close air support to Russian ground forces under pressure from Ukrainian advances. Russian pilots situational awareness is often poor; there is a realistic possibility that some aircraft have strayed over enemy territory and into denser air defence zones as the front lines have moved rapidly.

Russia's continued lack of air superiority remains one of the most important factors underpinning the fragility of its operational design in Ukraine.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98995 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:18 am to
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Russia has highly likely lost at least four combat jets in Ukraine within the last 10 days



So they have lost or likely lost?

Wouldnt there be a bunch of pics of these downed jets?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:27 am to
ISW Update Sept 18

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is increasingly relying on irregular volunteer and proxy forces rather than conventional units and formations of the Russian Federation Armed Forces.


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The formation of irregular, hastily-trained units adds little effective combat power to Russian forces fighting in Ukraine.


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Russian forces are likely attempting to conduct a more deliberate and controlled withdrawal in western Kherson Oblast to avoid the chaotic flight that characterized the collapse of Russian defensive positions in Kharkiv Oblast earlier this month.


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A prominent Russian milblogger also claimed that the Russian command issued a “no retreat” order last week for all units serving in Donbas, requiring that Russian forces operating on the axis hold their positions regardless of the unfolding situation in front of them


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Key Takeaways

Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to be increasingly relying on irregular, poorly trained ad-hoc volunteer and proxy units rather than attempting to rebuild damaged or destroyed conventional Russian ground forces units.

Ukrainian forces continue to consolidate positions on the east bank of the Oskil River in Kharkiv Oblast despite Russian efforts to contain them.

Russian forces in western Kherson Oblast may be attempting to fall back to more defensible positions in a controlled withdrawal to avoid the chaotic retreat that characterized the collapse of Russian defenses in Kharkiv earlier in September.

Russian forces suffered devastating losses of manpower and equipment in their fight for eastern Ukraine and especially during the Ukrainian Kharkiv counter-offensive. Multiple Russian armored and mechanized units have likely been effectively destroyed according to assessments released on September 18.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28812 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:30 am to
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So they have lost or likely lost? Wouldnt there be a bunch of pics of these downed jets?

Please research this issue and report your findings.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98995 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:33 am to
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Please research this issue and report your findings.



I did and cant find a single picture of these downed jets


Do you have a link to any?
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 6:45 am to
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Do you have a link to any?


I suggest a quick check of Oryx

LINK

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Aircraft (56, of which destroyed: 54, damaged: 2)
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:16 am to
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You sure are butt hurt that Putain and mighty Rus are getting humiliated by a country led by a guy who played the piano with his penis.


Ah yea, questioning twitter post with no evidence is me being "butt hurt".

You got me. Whatever will I do!
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:17 am to
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So they have lost or likely lost?

Wouldnt there be a bunch of pics of these downed jets?


Listen here Putin lover. Someone said so on twitter.
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 7:18 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16152 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:23 am to
Deer in the headlights much?
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:25 am to
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Deer in the headlights much?


Could say the same for this echo chamber LARP.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98995 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:31 am to
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I suggest a quick check of Oryx


What is that site and from Feb 2022?

All those pics link to same pro ukraine twitter accounts that have been known to post fake news and random aerial pics

Is there pics of the "likely" downed planes?
What happened to the 10k russian soldiers that were caught?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:46 am to
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and doesn't wear custom tailored Italian suits and sits at huge conference tables in a palace.


That is one thing that I can’t fault Vlad for. Not many things are better than wearing a custom Italian suit.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:54 am to
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What is that site and from Feb 2022?

All those pics link to same pro ukraine twitter accounts that have been known to post fake news and random aerial pics

Is there pics of the "likely" downed planes?
What happened to the 10k russian soldiers that were caught?


That site actually takes the time to go through all the photos and verify the items, but doubt that's good enough for you. So it seems the only proof you will take is that seen with your own eyes you might want to pack a bag. Otherwise, Twitter will lead the MSM in terms of reporting.

ETA: Also the site has been around since at least 2014
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 7:58 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16152 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:59 am to
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That site actually takes the time to go through all the photos and verify the items, but doubt that's good enough for you. So it seems the only proof you will take is that seen with your own eyes you might want to pack a bag. Otherwise, Twitter will lead the MSM in terms of reporting.

ETA: Also the site has been around since at least 2014


STD's is constant with this "show me" when it something has been shown constantly to be true for months.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 7:59 am to
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Vladimir Putin’s eco­nomic cam­paign to force Eu­ropean gov­ern­ments to aban­don sup­port for Ukraine by sharply curb­ing their nat­ural-gas sup­plies looks to be fal­ter­ing as gas prices fall, Russ­ian gov­ern­ment fi­nances de­te­ri­o­rate and the con­ti­nent sets plans to ease the pres­sure on house­holds and busi­nesses.
LINK

Uh oh. Bad news for Vlad and OMLandshark.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42775 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:01 am to
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Is there pics of the "likely" downed planes? What happened to the 10k russian soldiers that were caught?


You tube shows them cleaning up wreckage from all the downed planes in Kharkiv.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98995 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:01 am to
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That site actually takes the time to go through all the photos and verify the items


Where can i see that they are verified?

You dont need to get angry when questions are asked

Its not like you and this thread have a solid track record of posting confirmed reports
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22596 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:14 am to
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Where can i see that they are verified?


Look at the link… each item is hyperlinked to photos and/or an article (many Russian) backing up each claim.

Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:44 am to
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37382 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:45 am to
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STD's is constant with this "show me" when it something has been shown constantly to be true for months.
And yet if Putin said something he would believe it at face value. But it seems that his mission here is to just openly question and discredit everything favorable of Ukraine.
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