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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:29 am to Lakeboy7
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:29 am to Lakeboy7
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Hopefully its this choice.
I agree. But it’s going to take an outside power to broker the negotiations. That takes leadership. I look around the western world and I see little to no leadership. In fact it looks like a good deal of the west are happy to keep this thing going.
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:30 am to Darth_Vader
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1. Russia finally goes full “total war” and this thing drags out for Lord knows how long.
Darth, how do you think "going full war" would manifest itself? What would Russia do differently than it's done in the last 3 months? I guess they could try to carpet bomb Kyiv with their bomber fleet, but what would that accomplish besides a bunch of shot-down bombers, a bunch of dead civilians and more aid to Ukraine?
ETA: I'm not challenging you, I'm trying to think several moves down the chess board.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:35 am to TigerDoc
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Wagner was founded by a neo-Nazi named Dmitry Utkin, naming it after Hitler's favorite composer, Richard Wagner, and so I'd guess the mercs are the "musicians" performing Wagner's compositions.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:38 am to Darth_Vader
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Sound like the Ukrainians are trying to pull off a modern day version of Manstein’s “backhand blow”. And it looks like it just may work. Which this leads to two possibilities: 1. Russia finally goes full “total war” and this thing drags out for Lord knows how long. 2. Russia decides it’s time to cut bait and real peace negotiations get underway.
What is the end game here?
Italy quit in WWII when they saw the writing on the wall. They threw Mussolini out, and sued for peace.
On the other hand Hitler and Japan did not. They kept fighting even though in reality they had no chance.
Russia isn’t in jeopardy of being invaded, but if these counterattacks are successful; Russia has a big decision to make.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:40 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:39 am to doubleb
https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1568243180394483713
I think the last couple of sentences in the text box on the left side really sum it all up right now.
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FLASH TRAFFIC/ KHARKIV /1440 UTC 9 SEP/ UKR forces have reached the Oskil River south of the important transport and rail center of Kupiansk. RU units are in increasing disarray with the capture of RU Lieutenant General Andrei Sychevoi, who was the frontal commander.
I think the last couple of sentences in the text box on the left side really sum it all up right now.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:41 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:43 am to doubleb
For Ukraine the end game is driving Russia out of the occupied areas including Crimea
Their ability to do that is going to be based on their ability to sustain offensive operations. If they can do that and cause the collapse of Kapyunsk and Izium, then they have a chance to take back a large portion of the Donbass. The on the ground calculus is very different now than it was in 2014. Ukraine has the upper hand on the battlefield and Russia has milked the DNR/LNR areas dry of troops. The Donbass is much weaker today than it has been since 2014.
ETA If they can take Kherson and the Donbass regions, then Crimea is in a very difficult situation. If they take down the bridge linking Crimea to the mainland, then Crimea is cut off, totally. When I say taking Kherson, I am including the areas south of Kherson in that. Meltiopol becomes a critical point in that effort.
Their ability to do that is going to be based on their ability to sustain offensive operations. If they can do that and cause the collapse of Kapyunsk and Izium, then they have a chance to take back a large portion of the Donbass. The on the ground calculus is very different now than it was in 2014. Ukraine has the upper hand on the battlefield and Russia has milked the DNR/LNR areas dry of troops. The Donbass is much weaker today than it has been since 2014.
ETA If they can take Kherson and the Donbass regions, then Crimea is in a very difficult situation. If they take down the bridge linking Crimea to the mainland, then Crimea is cut off, totally. When I say taking Kherson, I am including the areas south of Kherson in that. Meltiopol becomes a critical point in that effort.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:48 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:47 am to Chromdome35
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Darth, how do you think "going full war" would manifest itself? What would Russia do differently than it's done in the last 3 months? I guess they could try to carpet bomb Kyiv with their bomber fleet, but what would that accomplish besides a bunch of shot-down bombers, a bunch of dead civilians and more aid to Ukraine?
ETA: I'm not challenging you, I'm trying to think several moves down the chess board.
No, I’m glad you ask. What I mean by Russia going “total war” is for them to go on full mobilization and place the country’s economy on a wartime footing in the same manner they did in WWII. So far in this war, Putin has fought the war in much the same manner Hitler fought from 1939 to really 1942. By that I mean the German nation did not fully mobilize its Homefront and industrial infrastructure to a war footing until 1942. Of course by then it was far too late. Russia has been fighting this war in much the same manner. And it’s simply not worked. Thus, Russia really only has two choices at this point:
(1) go on a fully mobilized war footing
(2) sue for peace
I pray they go for option two. Option one would be horrible. It would see Russia unleash its strategic weapons, perhaps even nuclear weapons, both tactical nukes on the battlefield and strategic nukes on population centers. It would also see the mobilization of millions of young Russians into the army, which would take time to train and equip;,but once complete would see multiple Fronts (Russia calls its army groups “fronts”) launch a full blown invasion on multiple axises into Ukraine. This escalation of the war very well could suck the West into the war, especially if Russia starts targeting Western supply routes into Ukraine.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:53 am to Darth_Vader
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No, I’m glad you ask. What I mean by Russia going “total war” is for them to go on full mobilization and place the country’s economy on a wartime footing in the same manner they did in WWII. So far in this war, Putin has fought the war in much the same manner Hitler fought from 1939 to really 1942. By that I mean the German nation did not fully mobilize its Homefront and industrial infrastructure to a war footing until 1942. Of course by then it was far too late. Russia has been fighting this war in much the same manner. And it’s simply not worked. Thus, Russia really only has two choices at this point:
(1) go on a fully mobilized war footing
(2) sue for peace
I pray they go for option two. Option one would be horrible. It would see Russia unleash its strategic weapons, perhaps even nuclear weapons, both tactical nukes on the battlefield and strategic nukes on population centers. It would also see the mobilization of millions of young Russians into the army, which would take time to train and equip;,but once complete would see multiple Fronts (Russia calls its army groups “fronts”) launch a full blown invasion on multiple axises into Ukraine. This escalation of the war very well could suck the West into the war, especially if Russia starts targeting Western supply routes into Ukraine.
Russia can declare a full mobilization; however, how long would that take for them to complete and how many months before those troops would reach the battlefield? What are they going to equip them with? Can they get them there fast enough to stave off disaster in the Ukrainian East or in Crimea?
I believe if Russia deploys Nukes, the whole calculus changes. The rest of the world will not respond well to that and will retaliate in some fashion. That could lead us to the unthinkable. Maybe Russia is counting on the west being too scared to respond...So far, he's been pretty wrong on his reading of the West.
I don't see much that Russia can do in the short term (3 months) to change whats currently happening in Ukraine.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 9:59 am to Chromdome35
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Russia can declare a full mobilization; however, how long would that take for them to complete and how many months before those troops would reach the battlefield? What are they going to equip them with? Can they get them there fast enough to stave off disaster in the Ukrainian East or in Crimea?
Russia still has gargantuan weapons depots. Most of it obsolete though. They do have enough to feed the meat grinder for at least six months, which is about how long it would take to mobilize, train, and equip their army fully. Even then they’d still take horrible losses. But Russia has proven in the past to not care about massive losses.
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I believe if Russia deploys Nukes, the whole calculus changes. The rest of the world will not respond well to that and will retaliate in some fashion. That could lead us to the unthinkable. Maybe Russia is counting on the west being too scared to respond...So far, he's been pretty wrong on his reading of the West.
This is the big worry. If their front continues to crumble and Crimea is threatened I believe they will resort to at least battlefield tactical nukes to stabilize to situation. Putin cannot afford to lose Afrika and will do just about anything to keep it.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:17 am to Darth_Vader
A Russian news source, The Insider, is reporting the appeal from Deputies in St. Petersburg to the State Duma to charge Putin with treason as a result of the Ukraine invasion and the effect it has had on Russia. Of course these guys will be in jail soon, if they aren't already, but this is a rather bold statement of official dissent.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:45 am to Chromdome35
I keep hearing the phrase, "cut lines of communication." In this day and age how in the world is this accomplished?
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:45 am to Darth_Vader
You hit that nail right on the head.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:51 am to jeffsdad
I think what they mean is cutting lines of supply and movement. You can't cut communication anymore unless you jam it.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:52 am to Chromdome35
https://t.me/rybar/38507
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As a result of enemy actions, the bridge across the Oskol River in Kupyansk was seriously damaged. The city is now under attack by artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Formations of the neo-Nazi regime use Western MLRS, howitzers and self-propelled guns. The defense of Kupyansk continues. Reserves keep coming up.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 10:57 am to RLDSC FAN
NSFW Funker Link
Tell All Interview With Fallujah Veteran Fighting In Ukraine
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Our friend Willy, who's been in Ukraine the past few months covering down on the conflict, conducts a tell all interview with a Ukrainian International Legion member.
Eye-opening interview with American ex-military volunteering in Ukraine. I’m sure many have seen this, but for those who haven’t it’s very interesting.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:01 am to Warfox
Its 45 minutes long, can you post some cliff notes summarizing what he says?
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:21 am to Darth_Vader
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But it’s going to take an outside power to broker the negotiations.
Agreed
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I look around the western world and I see little to no leadership. In fact it looks like a good deal of the west are happy to keep this thing going.
Nobody in the West or EU is going to do anything to stop Russia from bleeding to death.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:22 am to RLDSC FAN
Ukraine can retake occupied territories, including Crimea, within next year, says retired US general
9 September, 05:27 PM
Ukraine can retake all the territories occupied by Russia, including Crimea, within the next year, Ret. General Ben Hodges, former commanding general of the United States Army Europe, has told U.S. weekly online news magazine Newsweek.
“The Ukrainians have saved their country,” Hodges said on the sidelines of the Tbilisi International Conference of the McCain Institute this week.
“They’ve set the conditions where they can restore full sovereignty, to include Crimea, I think, within the next year.”
According to the general, “half a year after the start of the full-scale Russian invasion, and the supposed second-best army in the world is now the second-best army in Ukraine.”
“After all this time, Russia still controls less than 20% of Ukraine’s territory, and their ability to conduct further offensive operations has been all but exhausted,” he said.
“There needs to be a declaration that we want Ukraine to win, that we want it to get all of its territory back, that we want it to be able to defend itself in the future, and that we’re going to do everything necessary to help them do that,” he said.
At the same time, the U.S. general is confident that the relevant parties in Washington are fully aware of Ukraine’s needs.
“We shouldn’t publicly know what those needs are, because you never want the enemy to know what your capabilities are and what your shortfalls are,” he said.
“But I am 100% sure that the U.S. Department of Defense and National Security Council know exactly what Ukraine needs, (and) that the Ukrainians have told them that.”
The New Voice of Ukraine
9 September, 05:27 PM
Ukraine can retake all the territories occupied by Russia, including Crimea, within the next year, Ret. General Ben Hodges, former commanding general of the United States Army Europe, has told U.S. weekly online news magazine Newsweek.
“The Ukrainians have saved their country,” Hodges said on the sidelines of the Tbilisi International Conference of the McCain Institute this week.
“They’ve set the conditions where they can restore full sovereignty, to include Crimea, I think, within the next year.”
According to the general, “half a year after the start of the full-scale Russian invasion, and the supposed second-best army in the world is now the second-best army in Ukraine.”
“After all this time, Russia still controls less than 20% of Ukraine’s territory, and their ability to conduct further offensive operations has been all but exhausted,” he said.
“There needs to be a declaration that we want Ukraine to win, that we want it to get all of its territory back, that we want it to be able to defend itself in the future, and that we’re going to do everything necessary to help them do that,” he said.
At the same time, the U.S. general is confident that the relevant parties in Washington are fully aware of Ukraine’s needs.
“We shouldn’t publicly know what those needs are, because you never want the enemy to know what your capabilities are and what your shortfalls are,” he said.
“But I am 100% sure that the U.S. Department of Defense and National Security Council know exactly what Ukraine needs, (and) that the Ukrainians have told them that.”
The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:24 am to Chromdome35
He is a small unit ops sort of guy. Little bearing on what is happening right now.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 11:25 am to Lakeboy7
How far back are the Russian reserves? Surely target have a few BTGs back from the front to deploy to any hot spots.
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