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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:13 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 9/9/22 at 12:13 am to OMLandshark
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winter has always been a loyal ally to Russia.
But Putin says Ukraine is Russia so seems like this might be a wash.
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Posted on 9/9/22 at 3:31 am to ned nederlander
War_Mapper map showing territorial gain toward Kupiansk from 8/7 to 8/8 which he says is very conservative.
Twitter
I made a not quite perfect .gif of the two images for folks that hate Twitter but wanted to include credit to War_Mapper who does a more seamless job with his.
I made a not quite perfect .gif of the two images for folks that hate Twitter but wanted to include credit to War_Mapper who does a more seamless job with his.
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 7:29 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 5:40 am to OMLandshark
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You’ve been brainwashed.
Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe it's you that's been brainwashed?
Posted on 9/9/22 at 5:48 am to OMLandshark
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Look what’s going on in Europe dude. It’s not a hypothetical at this point. It’s happening in real fricking time with the energy crisis. They’re not going to put up with this for much longer
Maybe it's you that's taken the propaganda hook line and sinker. Europe's Nat Gas storage facilities are full. They're lining up new supply agreements left and right. And meanwhile the Russian army is crumbling on the battlefield.
Do you really think the EU states are going to demand that Ukraine just give up its sovereignty in order to avoid some inconvenience this winter? Politics don't work that way. The decision to stick with Ukraine has already been made. They're not going to change their mind now.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 5:54 am to OMLandshark
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Russia will win
They're losing. And it's getting worse by the day. And you accuse us of being brainwashed?
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they aren’t retreating
Well. Some of them are being captured and killed. So you're partially right there.
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unless we send troops on the ground.
Ahh. Here's your out. When the Russian army capitulates into a full fledged route, you're gonna say that we had American troops embedded with the Ukes all along. And that was the difference. So all your failed predictions are null and void.
You're basically the Q fan of the Ukraine War. Reality doesn't affect your narrative in the slightest.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:10 am to Chromdome35
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would like to hear a conversation begin whereby Ukraine talks about what we are going to get in return for our very generous aid.
Hunter and Joe Biden immunity and records destroyed of previous business dealing. “Uh well you see what happened was, the Russians bombed that area, but trust me. We never had any dealings with the Biden’s - only Trump.”
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:11 am to WeeWee
You can see the city in the background...what an amazing photo
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:21 am to OMLandshark
Hey OMLandshark, if winter is such a good Russian ally then why did General Winter do Russia so dirty when this invasion started?
Also your assumption about Western Europe abandoning Ukraine because of high gas prices does not look to be coming true.
Once again you are an incorrect coward.
Also your assumption about Western Europe abandoning Ukraine because of high gas prices does not look to be coming true.
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New poll: 70% of Germans want to keep supporting Ukraine despite high energy prices. Support for Ukraine is highest among supporters of the Greens (97%) and lowest on the far-right (30%
Once again you are an incorrect coward.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:23 am to Palantir
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You can see the city in the background...what an amazing photo
That city is the major Russian supply choke point and logistics hub for the majority of the front. The fact that there is no smoke rising from that city means the Russians are getting the hell out of dodge without even destroying their war supplies. Very poor discipline but Ukraine is about to hit the supply jackpot.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:30 am to Kentucker
ISW Update Sept 8
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Ukrainian successes on the Kharkiv City-Izyum line are creating fissures within the Russian information space and eroding confidence in Russian command to a degree not seen since a failed Russian river crossing in mid-May.
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The current tone and scale of Russian milblogger criticism echo the response to Russia’s loss of a large amount of armor in a failed Russian river crossing in Bilohorivka, Luhansk Oblast, in May.
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The Russian MoD repeated its Bilohorivka information mistake by failing to acknowledge the situation around Kharkiv Oblast and establish a desired narrative, leaving milbloggers to fill this gap with criticism of Russian forces
1. The Russian MoD struggles to address unexpected Ukrainian operations because its information strategy relies on portraying the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an easy and faultless operation. This promotes a lack of situational awareness within the Kremlin and the Russian media space.
2. The Russian MoD needs a significant amount of time to develop and spread false narratives in the Russian information space. The Kremlin and Russian MoD successfully did so prior to the long-awaited Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south, and milbloggers largely followed the Kremlin’s line. The Russian MoD failed to have a narrative ready for Ukrainian operations in Kharkiv Oblast.
3. Milbloggers will share and promote footage and imagery of fighting unfavorable to Russian forces that will dominate coverage in the Russian information space if the Russian MoD does not provide its own media.
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Key Takeaways
Ukrainian successes on the Kharkiv City-Izyum line are creating fissures within the Russian information space and eroding confidence in Russian command to a degree not seen since a failed Russian river crossing in mid-May.
Ukrainian forces in the Kharkiv Oblast counteroffensives advanced to within 20 kilometers of Russia’s key logistical node in Kupyansk on September 8.
Ukrainian forces will likely capture Kupyansk in the next 72 hours, severely degrading but not completely severing Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Izyum.
Ukrainian forces are continuing to target Russian GLOCs, command-and-control points, and ammunition depots in Kherson Oblast.
Russian occupation authorities continue to intensify crackdowns and filtration measures to curb Ukrainian partisans and pro-Ukrainian saboteurs.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks across the Eastern Axis.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:38 am to StormyMcMan
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 09 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia is moving reserve forces from across the country and assembling them near Ukraine for future offensive operations. A large proportion of the new infantry units are probably deploying with MT-LB armoured vehicles taken from long-term storage as their primary transport. While MT-LBs have previously been in service in support roles on both sides, Russia has long considered them unsuitable for most front-line infantry transport roles. It was originally designed in the 1950s as a tractor to pull artillery, has very limited armour, and only mounts a machine gun for protection.
In contrast, most of Russia's first echelon assault units were equipped with BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles in February, featuring armour up to 33mm thick and mounting a powerful 30mm autocannon and an anti-tank missile launcher. Despite President Putin's claim on 07 July 2022 that the Russian military has 'not even started its efforts in Ukraine, many of its reinforcements are ad hoc groupings, deploying with obsolete or inappropriate equipment
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 09 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Russia is moving reserve forces from across the country and assembling them near Ukraine for future offensive operations. A large proportion of the new infantry units are probably deploying with MT-LB armoured vehicles taken from long-term storage as their primary transport. While MT-LBs have previously been in service in support roles on both sides, Russia has long considered them unsuitable for most front-line infantry transport roles. It was originally designed in the 1950s as a tractor to pull artillery, has very limited armour, and only mounts a machine gun for protection.
In contrast, most of Russia's first echelon assault units were equipped with BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles in February, featuring armour up to 33mm thick and mounting a powerful 30mm autocannon and an anti-tank missile launcher. Despite President Putin's claim on 07 July 2022 that the Russian military has 'not even started its efforts in Ukraine, many of its reinforcements are ad hoc groupings, deploying with obsolete or inappropriate equipment
Posted on 9/9/22 at 6:57 am to No Colors
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Do you really think the EU states are going to demand that Ukraine just give up its sovereignty in order to avoid some inconvenience this winter? Politics don't work that way. The decision to stick with Ukraine has already been made. They're not going to change their mind now.
Especially since Russia cut off gas and is publicly trying to shame Europeans, but if it’s anything that Europeans have in abundance it’s pride and they don’t like to be humiliated.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:00 am to No Colors
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Europe's Nat Gas storage facilities are full. They're lining up new supply agreements left and right.
So you are in the column of “rainbows and butterflies” for Europe this winter...cool.
Perhaps you are right and the citizens will save a shite ton of money on heating their homes. I see it as just the opposite.
Time will tell.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:04 am to WeeWee
Today could be a very consequential day in the war. Will Ukraine take Kapyunsk today? If it falls this fast then Putin better watch his six.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:12 am to Chromdome35
There are multiple reports of a pincher attack on Kapyunsk from the west and south.. The supply routes to both Izium and Kapyunsk have been severed.
After I get online (still laying in bed surfing on my phone) I will post links…
After I get online (still laying in bed surfing on my phone) I will post links…
This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 7:13 am
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:21 am to jimmy the leg
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So you are in the column of “rainbows and butterflies” for Europe this winter...cool.
When you resort to hyperbole to make your argument you've usually lost already. But, no. I'm not "rainbows and butterflies". I said it would be inconvenient. But the alternative of letting Putin conquer a sovereign European democracy is too big of a trade. The EU will suffer through.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:24 am to Chromdome35
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Today could be a very consequential day in the war. Will Ukraine take Kapyunsk today?
Ukraine has been encircling and bypassing cities and major towns. They have been blitzing for Kupyansk. I expect them to encircle Kupyansk then turn south and head into the Donetsk oblast to block the GLOC before Russia can redeploy Wagner and its top units from the Kherson front. I spoke with my sauce(s) in Ukrainian intel last night and was told that much of the Kharkiv area is being held by separatist militia troops who were drafted against their will. Once the Ukrainians encircle them the Ukrainians are offering them the chance to surrender as well as pardons for treason if they don’t destroy their supplies and turn over their Russian officers and evidence of war crimes. My sauce(s) said that thousands have surrendered and they are cleaning up with supplies. Kupyansk is being guarded by DPR militia and if they surrender Kupyansk without destroying their supplies then the Ukrainians artillery ammunition shortage will be solved.
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If it falls this fast then Putin better watch his six.
Very true. It’s just a matter of time before a general decides that if he is going to be killed or sent to a gulag then he will take Putin with him.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 7:36 am to jimmy the leg
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So you are in the column of “rainbows and butterflies” for Europe this winter...cool. Perhaps you are right and the citizens will save a shite ton of money on heating their homes. I see it as just the opposite. Time will tell.
Russia is stretched too thin. They have sent their best troops to the Kherson front and left separatist militia to defend the little bit of the Kharkiv and the parts of the Donetsk oblasts that they control. When Kupyansk falls the Russians will have to choose between trying to redeploy its best units from Kherson back to the Donbas or trying to defend Kherson. If Russia stays to defend Kherson then it will forfeit its gains in the Donbas. If it attempts to redeploy to the Donbas then Kherson is vulnerable and if the Ukrainians get across the Dnieper there are not enough Russian troops between Kherson and the mountains around Sevastapol to stop them. If Ukraine keeps up the pressure (very big IF) then Russia might be forced to sue for peace or risk Ukraine taking the war into Crimea or the Belgorod oblast (which was traditionally part of the territory of the Kyvian Rus for over 500 years until 1918). Bottom line the war is fluid so is the energy situation.
Posted on 9/9/22 at 8:18 am to Chromdome35
From the Rybar Telegram Channel (Russian)
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?????????? Battle for Kharkov: the situation on the Izyum-Kupyansky sector of the front
as of 15.00 September 9, 2022
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the massive transfer of reinforcements and reserves to the Kharkov region. Mi-26 helicopters deliver personnel near Kupyansk, armored columns are transferred to Izyum and Oskol. Fire damage is inflicted on targets in Chuguev and Kharkov, artillery and aviation work along the road.
??The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to expand the zone of control. According to preliminary information, Shevchenkove was occupied. A photo of the UAF at the southern entrance to Kupyansk suggests that the entire southern road to Senkovo ??is under enemy control.
??The activity of individual mobile groups was noted in the area of ????Gorokhovatka and the existing bridge across the Oskol River. Russian units entered the battle on the northern outskirts of the village.
??In Kupyansk itself, the work of sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was noted. The enemy is shelling Russian positions.
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