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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:23 pm to
You’re hilarious. If you think this is what Russia winning looks like I’d sure as shite hate to see what losing is.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14810 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:26 pm to
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Russia doesn’t need Kiev, it’s a liability. Russia already has the viable economic regions of Ukraine secured, gaining combat experience against top western weaponry, and has a dominant negotiating position with the EU. IDK what this failure is?


the Spin is strong in this one.....

1) taking Kiev, and this thing would have ended a long time ago. Russia installs a puppet government. Russia though it could accomplish the homerun and end it quick....but did not

2) By gaining combat experience, do you mean the death/causalities for their experienced troops, the destruction of the tanks, planes, equipment, and loss of a the experienced leadership....

3) U need to negotiate with Ukraine....dont think they are intent on negotiating until Crimea and Donbas are flyign the Ukrainian flig....





Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:28 pm to
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gaining combat experience against top western weaponry, and has a dominant negotiating position with the EU. IDK what this failure is?




Gaining experience is negated when you get blown the frick up and are not able to use the experience gained.

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negotiating position


That train has left the station for the foreseeable future.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:28 pm to
Thanks for the link. The story about Lasha and his encounter with hogweed was heart wrenching.

My heart hurts for the poor Russian people who have no say in how their country is run. I’d like to think that things could change someday but Russian history indicates that that is a slim possibility.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:36 pm to
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Russia already has the viable economic regions of Ukraine


This isn't the 1800s. Kiev produces the largest amount of GDP in the country.

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gaining combat experience against top western weaponry


Which has seemingly had no effect on their doctrine.

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has a dominant negotiating position with the EU. IDK what this failure is?



They do not have a dominant position at the moment. If their security concerns were that they didn't want a NATO country on their border, with their actions they extended that border by several hundred miles. The EU has already made a commitment to move end its reliance on Russian gas by 2030, which is no small feat. Russian access to the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea are now at the behest of NATO powers. Russia is effectively hemmed in on its Western frontier, which is a far worse position. In addition, Kazakhstan is attempting to move further away from Russia's orbit, because aligning with Russia long-term doesn't have the strongest prospects. You aren't thinking things through. Their geopolitical situation is far worse than it was before the war.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:46 pm to
Moscova gained "valuable combat experience," I suppose.
As did tens of thousands of Russian soldiers, as well as their tanks, aircraft, artillery and supplies.
The Russian positions in the south seemed ideally situated for even more "valuable combat experience" over the next few weeks!
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8165 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:50 pm to
I agree they gained experience, in just how poorly equipped and prepared the Russian army actually is and how incompetent their officers are.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45554 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:53 pm to
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I am very surprised that Ukraine has the manpower to still be in this fight.


Why are you surprised? It’s a country with a population 40,000,000 people. Ukraine started the war with around 200,000 troops and another 900,000 reserve troops before conscription. Ukraine started a full mobilization of it’s reserves back in February. That mobilization is mostly complete and Ukraine supposedly has over 1,000,000 troops ready for combat now.

Russia invaded with between 170,000 troops. It’s has not mobilized its reserves (because that would require a declaration of war and an admission that Russia is not as strong as it projects itself to be). It has raised 40,000 troops between hiring mercenaries and forced conscription of the LPR and DPR population. However it has also suffered between 50,000 - 80,000 casualties depending on which source you believe. So it’s down to less than 150,000 combat effective troops.
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 12:58 pm to
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Their geopolitical situation is far worse than it was before the war.


It’s amazing that Russians don’t see how isolated and hated they have become over this. Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Far Eastern Russia were big tourist destinations.

Foreign investment was bustling. Interest in Russian society was at an all-time high.

Then Putin went off the rails. One man. Insane.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30450 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:02 pm to
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Russia already has the viable economic regions of Ukraine secured


You have a vastly different definition of the word "secured" than most of the English-speaking world.

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gaining combat experience against top western weaponry,


The US is gaining more useful information from watching Russia fight than Russia is getting from fighting a limited number of Western weapon systems. The US is also in a much better position to capitalize on that information.

The biggest takeaway for Russia is how far behind they are. Prior to this they could lie to themselves.

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15687 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:24 pm to
This new mega gas pipeline being built to China from Russia will be in service sometime in 2025 if as scheduled. Built to substandard by Western codes. It will transport 50% of what has been lost in the European market. China will NOT put up with the Rubble monkey business and buy cheaper.

Is that winning?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15687 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:25 pm to
Europe wussed out in 2014 or else none of this would be happening in 2022
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45554 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:28 pm to
40,000-80,000 dead
Russian soldiers including thousands of dead officers, and all the key military leaders have been sacked. Who is going to be left to study the lessons?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:31 pm to
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That mobilization is mostly complete and Ukraine supposedly has over 1,000,000 troops ready for combat now


If they have that many troops backed up by Western weaponry then if this war isn’t wrapped up in a week it means that either Ukrainian troops are garbage or Russian troops are some bad motherfrickers.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15687 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:32 pm to
Putain will have to figure it out all by himself.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:34 pm to
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40,000-80,000 dead


Those are May numbers
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15687 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:34 pm to
Not everyone one of those even has a weapon. That is still an issue. What has been allocated hasn't been shipped to Ukrain yet. Germany and France are in the top class of foot draggers.

I have to wonder how many Russian moles are in Germany's government.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5896 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:39 pm to
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Also earth to y’all, the fall of Kiev came directly from CNN and US generals.


Amen. It’s good to remember just what Zelensky risked when he remained in Kiev, with his family, while the Russian army poured across two international borders toward Kiev in a seek and destroy mission.

Thank you for saluting his courage.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:45 pm to
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The US is gaining more useful information from watching Russia fight than Russia is getting from fighting a limited number of Western weapon systems.


You were in man, you know we are doing so much more than watching. This may be the biggest, realistic, most productive War Fighter this country has ever participated in.

From a staff perspective its the real deal but without your guys on the line. An incredible opportunity for younger staff officers that missed Iraq and Afghanistan to get some real time experience.

Salute Vlad!
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45554 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 1:46 pm to
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If they have that many troops backed up by Western weaponry then if this war isn’t wrapped up in a week it means that either Ukrainian troops are garbage or Russian troops are some bad motherfrickers.


It’s terrain that is the limiting factor in the south. They can only squeeze so many troops between the Inhulets river and the Dnieper. Also they are still waiting on more ammo for the western weapons. They have only received enough shells for two to four weeks of heavy fighting. They have less than a week’s worth of ammunition for the Himars and only 11 or 12 Migs have been fitted with HARMs for wild weasel missions and they have less than two hundred HARMs missiles to use. That’s apparently enough for the southern offensive but a drive to retake the east is being planned for after the Rasputitsia if they get enough ammo for the western weapons .

ETA: Ukraine is also launching a slow a methodical counteroffensive and are trying to not to destroy their own coties if they can help it.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 1:53 pm
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