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Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:50 am to cypher
Also, this lady assassin story, why the hell would a lady assassin trying to kill Darya Dugina plant a bomb under her father's car? How could the shifty lady assassin know that Darya would be driving her father's car that day?
This has so many holes. Too bad that Russia does not have a free press that could ask a couple of direct questions.
This has so many holes. Too bad that Russia does not have a free press that could ask a couple of direct questions.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:03 am to Jim Rockford
That's how I see it. No matter who they believe did it, it's in their interests to blame the Ukrainians and false accusations of foreign nationals is right out of Putin's playbook.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 11:05 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:12 am to TigerDoc
The Russian claims about this incident are not credible, as everyone knows from their long history of blaming their enemies for everything.
I am gonna rely on FOX News, which has narrowed the list of perpetrators to Hillary, Obama and Brandon.
I am gonna rely on FOX News, which has narrowed the list of perpetrators to Hillary, Obama and Brandon.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:14 am to TBoy
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Too bad that Russia does not have a free press that could ask a couple of direct questions.
You could substitute USA for Russia in this sentence
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:26 am to TBoy
Our press isn't significantly better
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:27 am to bgtiger
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You could substitute USA for Russia in this sentence
Which countries media, is controlled by their state government? Here’s a hint, it’s not the country you live in.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:30 am to TBoy
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Too bad that Russia does not have a free press that could ask a couple of direct questions.
Kind of like our MSM?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:32 am to BFIV
getting deplatformed and getting defenestrated aren't the same, baw.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:56 am to sta4ever
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Which countries media, is controlled by their state government? Here’s a hint, it’s not the country you live in.
You can't be serious right now. Our government gives out talking points and headlines to all major media outlets. Wake up
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:01 pm to bgtiger
All governments give out talking points to shape media message. But not all governments put journalists in jail for calling a war a war.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:05 pm to bgtiger
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You can't be serious right now. Our government gives out talking points and headlines to all major media outlets. Wake up
That’s why there are hundreds of different opinions out there, on how to deal with a certain situation. If the government were controlling what the media says, then there’d be only one talking point available for us, which is not the case.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:07 pm to TigerDoc
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ll governments give out talking points to shape media message. But not all governments put journalists in jail for calling a war a war.
The shite the government has done to Sharyl Attkisson says they try to do exactly that, but go on and believe what you will.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:10 pm to sta4ever
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If the government were controlling what the media says, then there’d be only one talking point available for us, which is not the case.
How many compilations of the mass headlines and news stories do you need to see? The republican vs democrat fight IS the single talking point.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:16 pm to bgtiger
That means we have different opinions in this country. Where as in Russia, the only talking point is: Russia good guys vs the bad guys in the west. Every Russian action is supported by their media and people. They aren’t allowed to have different opinions on things. No one can challenge the “special operation” if you live in Russia.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:16 pm to LSU7096
There are some serious believers in the media and our government ITT
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:18 pm to sta4ever
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That means we have different opinions in this country. Where as in Russia, the only talking point is: Russia good guys vs the bad guys in the west.
I don't know how the hell you can pull off living in Sant Uman after obviously spending so much time in Russia
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:22 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Ukrainian soccer moms planting highly sophisticated car bombs in Moscow and then popping up in Estonia, all under the noses of the FSB, is a bit much. Even for the Russians.
But these are the same folks that previously gave us all the laughable evidence of Uko-Nazi cells. “ When the FSB discover the safe house of those who blew up Dugina it will likely contain explosives, a 1975 map of Moscow, the Kobzar, a framed Zelinski portrait, a Saint Javelin patch, six copies of the video game "the Sims", a green wig, a NATO laptop, a signed copy of Mein Kampf, Dmytro Yarosh’s business cards and an ‘Economists for Ukraine’ T-shirt. All guarded by a fearsome shiba inu.” We laugh but you know it’s coming…
So let’s do something different and use a bit of logic to try to fill in the blanks. First, the origin of the weapon. The bomb itself is plainly FSB or GRU. This was no mafia-style C4 wired to the ignition. From what happened and what we read about it, the maker had to have a high degree of both training and experience to manufacture this device. And ready access to the equipment used. This device provided two things – both a very high degree of reliability and a safe egress zone for the initiator. If I didn’t know better I would suspect the Israelis. It was certainly their style.
Secondly, and more importantly, why? This was too much overkill for such a laughable target. What in the world was the motive to call in such expertise to take out a flannel-mouthed drunk? Let us count the ways:
1. Money. No – Dugin and his daughter were not oligarchs and had nothing worth stealing;
2. Revenge. No – These two had no real enemies on a personal basis. They were not known to personally attack Russian government officials or any dangerous security types in Moscow. Putin was their rabbi, so no need to rock any boats;
3. Possession of dangerous information. Ok, bingo. Now this makes sense. The existence of a group of FSB / GRU members that are making plans to remove Putin may have been discussed with Dugin over the obligatory twelve vodkas. Once this mistake was realized, the pros were called in.
I’ve been wrong before, but going on what we know now, this fits.
(Edited to add link.)
But these are the same folks that previously gave us all the laughable evidence of Uko-Nazi cells. “ When the FSB discover the safe house of those who blew up Dugina it will likely contain explosives, a 1975 map of Moscow, the Kobzar, a framed Zelinski portrait, a Saint Javelin patch, six copies of the video game "the Sims", a green wig, a NATO laptop, a signed copy of Mein Kampf, Dmytro Yarosh’s business cards and an ‘Economists for Ukraine’ T-shirt. All guarded by a fearsome shiba inu.” We laugh but you know it’s coming…
So let’s do something different and use a bit of logic to try to fill in the blanks. First, the origin of the weapon. The bomb itself is plainly FSB or GRU. This was no mafia-style C4 wired to the ignition. From what happened and what we read about it, the maker had to have a high degree of both training and experience to manufacture this device. And ready access to the equipment used. This device provided two things – both a very high degree of reliability and a safe egress zone for the initiator. If I didn’t know better I would suspect the Israelis. It was certainly their style.
Secondly, and more importantly, why? This was too much overkill for such a laughable target. What in the world was the motive to call in such expertise to take out a flannel-mouthed drunk? Let us count the ways:
1. Money. No – Dugin and his daughter were not oligarchs and had nothing worth stealing;
2. Revenge. No – These two had no real enemies on a personal basis. They were not known to personally attack Russian government officials or any dangerous security types in Moscow. Putin was their rabbi, so no need to rock any boats;
3. Possession of dangerous information. Ok, bingo. Now this makes sense. The existence of a group of FSB / GRU members that are making plans to remove Putin may have been discussed with Dugin over the obligatory twelve vodkas. Once this mistake was realized, the pros were called in.
I’ve been wrong before, but going on what we know now, this fits.
(Edited to add link.)
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:24 pm to bgtiger
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I don't know how the hell you can pull off living in Sant Uman after obviously spending so much time in Russia
I don’t know how you could spend so much time on tRant, when all of your time is spent coddling next to Putin and his buddies, in the Kremlin. You obviously know everything.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 12:28 pm to bgtiger
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There are some serious believers in the media and our government ITT
Ah, another poster that believes they are the gate keeper of the only valid information available, but somehow manages to never post any source or data
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 12:30 pm
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