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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:26 pm to
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Still doesn’t give Russia an excuse to invade Ukraine,


Europe's problem, not ours.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:32 pm to
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Europe's problem, not ours.


You are profoundly misreading the risks to the United States from Russia's actions here.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5747 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:42 pm to
more good news....

US-made AGM-88 missiles started striking Russian air defense positions in Ukraine

The fragments of a US-made AGM-88 HARM Anti-Radiation Missile are found at one of Russian military positions in Ukraine.

A number of photos with the fragments of this missile, taken at the positions of Russian troops, appeared on social media.

Presumably, the Ukrainian Air Force used these missiles against Russian air defense systems.

The affiliation of the fragments to this type of missile can be proved by an inscription on a piece of the remaining tail.

AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) is a tactical, air-to-surface anti-radiation missile adopted in the United States in 1983.

The maximum operational range is 150 kilometers, the minimum is 25.

The proportional guidance system that homes in on enemy radar emissions has a fixed antenna and seeker head in the missile’s nose.

The missile is intended, of course, for American aircraft and for some European ones.

There is no information that the missile can be used with Soviet-made fighters.

There is also no official information about what the United States or another country has supplied to Ukraine AGM-88 HARM. Nevertheless, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov has repeatedly stated that he expects the supply of such missiles.

“Based on this level of trust, we will continue to be assisted. And you definitely saw the announced package, if I’m not mistaken, for $270 million with the signature of the President of the United States that we will receive an additional four HIMARS, we will receive special anti-radiation missiles, which we previously had. This will allow us to effectively destroy their radar system, blind the enemy, which will allow us to then get an advantage for a counteroffensive,” Reznikov said in July.

Also on August 6, the Ukrainian Operational Command “South” reported that in a day in the south, the destruction of four anti-aircraft missile systems of the S-300 and Pantsir-S SAM was confirmed.

Ukrainian Military Portal
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 1:44 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:42 pm to
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There is no way Putin will accept anything but victory.


It might not be Putin’s decision to make.

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He will throw men and material at it until he does. So I have a hard time believing the Ukrainians will win against Russia. It is just the problem with a dictator who marches to the beat of his own drum as do all others in his country.


Per my friends in Russia. The Russian ppl were getting really uneasy when Russia was driven away from Kyiv and Kharkiv. The Russian populace was calmed down by “the victories” in Mariupol and Sievierdonetsk. However they were shocked by the reports of 75,000 KIA or whatever it was has unnerved the populace again. Apparently there are a lot of families who know nothing about their loved ones who have not been heard from in months. If reports of Russian forces being forced to retreat start occurring then IDK how much bad news Putin and his ppl will be able to contain and/or sustain.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:54 pm to
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Europe's problem, not ours.


Just like 1914 and the 1930s-40s.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 1:59 pm to
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Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17732 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:03 pm to
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I actually think we should have stayed out of WWI, it’s just Wilson had to get involved in it to appease his narcissism.


Idk. Those frickers would have kept fighting each other for years, until there was nobody left to kill in Europe. Europeans didn’t really like each other that much, loved to fight, and weren’t going to stop until there was a determined loser.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:07 pm to
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I actually think we should have stayed out of WWI, it’s just Wilson had to get involved in it to appease his narcissism.


If Germany never sent the Zimmerman telegram I bet we would have stayed out of WW1. From what I have read that was the straw that broke the camel’s back and when Wilson decided to get involved. Waiting for Germany to resume unrestricted submarine warfare was just needed to justify it to the American ppl.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:08 pm to
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That’s a very broadly drafted question. We make and break agreements all the time.


Do you think that we should honor international agreements that we have not formally or informally withdrawn from?
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 2:09 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64294 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:14 pm to
That depends. O think some of them are bad agreements, to which we should have never been a party.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:14 pm to
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There is no information that the missile can be used with Soviet-made fighters.


I remember reading an article back in the spring that the Polish, Slovakian, and one other NATO country’s Migs were modified by Israel to use some western weapons in the 2000s. It did not say what western weapons the Migs could use though.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:15 pm to
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AGM-88 HARM (High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile) is a tactical, air-to-surface anti-radiation missile adopted in the United States in 1983.



And can now be carried by the MIG 29.

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Also on August 6, the Ukrainian Operational Command “South” reported that in a day in the south, the destruction of four anti-aircraft missile systems of the S-300 and Pantsir-S SAM was confirmed.



Nothing more fun than watching a battlefield being shaped.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:24 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 11:37 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:25 pm to
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That depends. O think some of them are bad agreements, to which we should have never been a party.


Then we should formally withdraw from the agreement.

It’s a simple question. Do you think that the USA should keep its word and honor international agreements that it has not withdrawn from, yes or no?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:25 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 11:36 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:29 pm to
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Then we should formally withdraw from the agreement.


Sure.

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It’s a simple question. Do you think that the USA should keep its word and honor international agreements that it has not withdrawn from, yes or no?


I already answered your question. Not sure what game you’re trying to play. I disagree with many if not most of the actions that we have taken and are currently taking in respect of Ukraine. We obviously don’t agree. That’s fine, but don’t expect to bait me into some imagined moral quandary where I feel compelled to change my mind.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:32 pm to
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Fact check: true.



Hey man you believe what you believe and you get passionate about it, no problem on my end.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45745 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:39 pm to
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Then we should formally withdraw from the agreement. Sure. quote: It’s a simple question. Do you think that the USA should keep its word and honor international agreements that it has not withdrawn from, yes or no? I already answered your question. Not sure what game you’re trying to play. I disagree with many if not most of the actions that we have taken and are currently taking in respect of Ukraine.


The USA has signed an agreement with Ukraine to provide Ukraine with security assistance if it’s territorial integrity was violated and Ukraine asked for assistance. That agreement was approved by both house of Congress and therefore has the same effect as a formal treaty such as the North Atlantic Treaty. Therefore we are legally obligated to provide Ukraine with assistance. So either you were unaware of that or you don’t believe in keeping your word and being trustworthy.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:42 pm to
Serious question, does the agreement specify the type and amount of aid to be provided?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64294 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 2:48 pm to
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The USA has signed an agreement with Ukraine to provide Ukraine with security assistance if it’s territorial integrity was violated and Ukraine asked for assistance. That agreement was approved by both house of Congress and therefore has the same effect as a formal treaty such as the North Atlantic Treaty. Therefore we are legally obligated to provide Ukraine with assistance. So either you were unaware of that or you don’t believe in keeping your word and being trustworthy.


Oh for Christ’s sake. It’s funny that you think this is dispositive.
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