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Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why do you think the US media is giving us a whitewashed version of this war? You're not in the least suspicious?
US media doesn't not care much about the war (anymore). Why is it most any information on this site comes from specific, non traditional non network sources?
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:10 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Look, I'm as big of a non-interventionist as there is on here but your contention the US has less regard for civilian casualties and collateral damage as the Russkies is a load of crap. Even in the post-Vietnam era, the American armed forces' ROEs we're pretty restrictive. The US was fighting an insurgent enemy who routinely used the civilian population as shields. The Russians are fighting a largely conventional war in Ukraine. Apples to oranges.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:14 pm to AU86
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Putin has some real winners for his buddies:
Iran, North Korea and the Chicoms.
I wonder how the Russia/Putin supporters spin this?
YouTube British Admiral said the world is aligning by splitting into the dictatorships (China, Iran, Russia) and the free democracies (US, Britain, Western Europe). All other countries are going to have to choose a side to align with or walk a tightrope between the two camps. And this will escalate over the next two to three decades. So we are at the beginning of the "Brave, New World". We aren't going back to the world of even five years ago.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:20 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
The one difference is that for the first half century or so of the PRC, Russia was the "big brother" in the communist/totalitarian world. Russia has wrecked themselves for the foreseeable future. China, in spite of their problems (and they have many), are going to be the players in that relationship and Russia will be second fiddle.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:20 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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YouTube British Admiral said the world is aligning by splitting into the dictatorships (China, Iran, Russia) and the free democracies (US, Britain, Western Europe).
Which side is Ukraine going to be on do you think after this comment from Z
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told the South China Morning Post on Thursday that he would like to discuss his country’s war against Russia with the leader of Russia’s closest ally, Xi Jinping, “directly,” and invited China to help rebuild Ukraine once the war is over.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:23 pm to OMLandshark
Stated like the other two year old brat.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:24 pm to CitizenK
Why is that those with a two year old spoiled brat mentality support real Neo Nazis?
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:36 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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YouTube British Admiral said the world is aligning by splitting into the dictatorships (China, Iran, Russia) and the free democracies (US, Britain, Western Europe). All other countries are going to have to choose a side to align with or walk a tightrope between the two camps. And this will escalate over the next two to three decades. So we are at the beginning of the "Brave, New World". We aren't going back to the world of even five years ago.
As best I can tell it had been this way since WW2. This isn’t new.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:38 pm to SDVTiger
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Which side is Ukraine going to be on do you think after this comment from Z
Ukraine obviously thinks they have a future after the conflict is my first thought. I guess Z thinks Ukraine is going to walk the tightrope. It's also possible behind the scenes some of the allies of the "free world" have pissed him off. The US probably seems somewhat flaky to other countries around the world. Maybe Z thinks the Chinese are able to focus on fewer things with no messy internal problems.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:49 pm to CitizenK
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:08 pm to doubleb
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As best I can tell it had been this way since WW2. This isn’t new.
Except it's gone more or less our way until now. The way we wanted it to go since the 1980s and to an extent post WWII. But there is an obvious large push from China primarily with Russia grabbing their coat tails to change the way the world works. From now on the US its going to have to work to try to keep it like it was. For me, looking forward there will be a greater push to try to peel countries away from the west. We will likely see all "non-democracies" overtly align with the ChiRUIranians. Think about the brewing troubles with de-democratization in S America. What will South Africa do? The US is going to have to work with a few others to hold it together.
Watch to see what Russia does to destabilize those countries in eastern Europe (Balkans) with restive populations. All that is needed is for a country to invite them in for help similar to what they did in Syria.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:21 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Ukraine obviously thinks they have a future after the conflict is my first thought
A future with Chyna after your British guy says Chyna will team up with Russia
And we have to pay for all of this
Im not sure how anyone is defending any of this anymore
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:29 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:Well in my post, which you obviously did not read or did not comprehend, I specifically used numbers from only the convention first 3 weeks of the war in the initial invasion. So it’s exactly Apples to Apples.
The US was fighting an insurgent enemy who routinely used the civilian population as shields. The Russians are fighting a largely conventional war in Ukraine. Apples to oranges.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:32 pm to SDVTiger
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A future with Chyna after your British guy says Chyna will team up with Russia
I'm just trying to come up with MY answer to the question posed. I've not seen the news reporting about what Z said. I have my doubts about it actually. And who knows what Z is talking about and to whom behind the scenes? He will need a trillion dollars to rebuild his country.
I've seen multiple geopolitical experts and ex military state the world is going to be different from what we are used to. I'm trying to get my head around that.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:33 pm to SDVTiger
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This clearly wont be spent just allocated like the other 40bil
If you people still don’t understand that these Pentagon releases are part of the previously-approved aid packages, I don’t know what to tell you.
You’re going to keep seeing these releases. This is the money being spent. The congressional approval was the money being allocated. It’s really not that complicated.
But I’m sure that won’t stop someone from chiming in about how we’ve spent “$3 trillion and counting!!11!” on Ukraine next time the Pentagon announces a release from the same fricking bucket of money that we’ve all known about for months.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:34 pm to doubleb
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Furthermore this counts all deaths from violence not ftom Americans. Plus they are questions as to the accuracy.
Well the Ukrainian civilian death numbers don’t specify who killed them either. The Ukrainians have been shooting a frick load of stuff that goes boom too. Probably exponentially more than the Iraqi army was shooting off during our invasion.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:36 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Well the Ukrainian civilian death numbers don’t specify who killed them either. The Ukrainians have been shooting a frick load of stuff that goes boom too. Probably exponentially more than the Iraqi army was shooting off during our invasion.
War is hell!
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:37 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Yeah that’s the point. It doesn’t mean every one that does is a victim of some genocidal rocket attack. That notion is frankly just ridiculous to begin with.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:42 pm to lostinbr
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If you people still don’t understand that these Pentagon releases are part of the previously-approved aid packages, I don’t know what to tell you.
Their heads may explode trying to figure this kind of stuff out.
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