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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:14 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:14 pm to
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No, I call you out on your fricking shite.



Bitch, you aren't smart enough to call me out on anything.

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What, also being against war in Yemen? God forbid.



No you fricking liar. I already posted the thread. Look it up again.

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I’m not defending nor do I trust the Russians, but I take them seriously as a threat unlike you assclowns who just want to make it rain nukes and not think any of it through.



No, you are defending the Russians, but you don't understand how. Again, where is your post condemning the Russians for immediately violating the agreement? Do you want me to bring up my posts that occurred before that agreement to show that I knew the Russians were going to violate future agreements?

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I’ve considered it and I think they’d settle for the Donbas.



Damn, you are incredibly naïve. There are several people here with far more experience telling you you are naïve, and all you do is accuse them of being war-mongers.

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My point is resolving this war as quickly as possible would also resolve those two issues you point out and are going to be a major worldwide issue come October. I truly think what I’m advocating for will save many lives.



And I think your myopia is going to cost several more lives. You already don't understand oil and wheat markets, and someone who did, AbuTheMonkey, answered you, but you glossed over that. But that doesn't answer the question about who is driving this war. You are hopelessly naïve about geopolitics. You are too emotional about it and can't see larger trends. That you are convinced of some major turmoil in October is actually evidence of that. You've convinced yourself of something, based on scant evidence, and just double-down instead of admitting you aren't some omniscient being. You regularly talk about things you don't understand. The arrogance by itself amazes me.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:23 pm to
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They had a hand in directly supporting anarcho-communists and conned a bunch of idiots to do January 6th and then arrested them for it.


Sooooooo you see the similarity now.

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OK, where are these white nationalist groups armed to the teeth? Are they the clear FBI agents that are always in the exact same uniform and in the exact same shape and the exact same gender and are always wearing face masks, something the Right is particularly fond of?


I’m sure there are plenty who blend in much better than those you mention, though those you mention are the obvious evidence they are involved.

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Whatever makes you sleep at night for arming literal Nazis with sleeve bands, dude.


You make way too much of this and assume even more. Do you not consider if they’re killing Russians, but remain a very small minority of Ukrainian military the issue could be relatively easily controlled as the non-Nazis have far more western weapons? If the Ukrainians are being reigned in on targeting Russian territory, maybe the Crimean bridge etc, can you not consider they’re being reigned in on what weapons are given to Azov?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16185 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:32 pm to
Worries about the economy yet that arms industry is making money here and having to add more shifts is bad for the economy per OML. It's not like we are sending pallets of cash and personnel.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16185 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:34 pm to
Have you been a hysterical drama queen all of your life? Did this begin in your teens? Are you still actually in your teens? Are either of your parents drama queens?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:37 pm to
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Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:40 pm to
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Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:43 pm to
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But don’t dare bring that up to these bunch of LARPers. 


That's exactly what these Ukraine bros are - a bunch of bored George W. Bush style Republicans or Obama shitlibs who get off on the war LARPing.
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Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:44 pm to
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Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4692 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:45 pm to
ISW Update

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Ukrainian officials are increasingly acknowledging Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in Kherson Oblast


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Alarm in the Russian nationalist information space continues to grow as the pace of Russian operations slows in the face of successful Ukrainian high-mobility artillery rocket system (HIMARS) strikes on key Russian logistics and command-and-control nodes. 


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The Kremlin is likely facing mounting (if still very limited) domestic dissent from within ethnic minority enclaves, which are disproportionately bearing the brunt of the Kremlin’s force generation efforts. 


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Key Takeaways

Ukrainian officials are increasingly acknowledging Ukrainian counteroffensive operations in Kherson Oblast.

The Kremlin is facing mounting (if still very limited) domestic dissent from ethnic minorities who are disproportionately bearing the burden of the Russian war in Ukraine.

Russian forces attempted limited ground assaults northwest of Slovyansk, east of Siversk, and south of Bakhmut on July 24.

Ukrainian strikes have damaged all three Russian-controlled bridges leading into Kherson City within the past week.

Russian forces attempted limited ground assaults in Kherson Oblast.

The Kremlin continued constituting regional volunteer battalions and is leveraging private military companies’ recruitment drives to generate combat power.

Russian occupation authorities continued setting conditions for annexation referenda in occupied territories and are recruiting Russian civilians for reconstruction efforts.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:50 pm to
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No, because I’ve always been against the War in Yemen. You’re full of shite if you claim I’ve been for it. I know what I believe.



Brah, you didn't even know several important facts about it, when questioned. That is what I was referring to, you moron.

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I criticize the Russian government, but I can separate it from their people. Posters like LSUPILOT07 thinks we should be killing innocent Russian women and kids and is quite frankly genocidal to anyone that is Russian. Now he is admittedly an outlier on this thread who does want millions of deaths, the rest of you haven’t thought it through and are dramatically strawmanning Russia as a country and their abilities. It’s better to steelman your opponent.



First off, the reference to other posters isn't meaningful to me, in this conversation. Stay on topic. Secondly, I'm not being naïve about Russia nor am I understating their capability. Go ahead and find that post for me. I know you can't because I haven't made such a claim. Don't include other posters in response to things I've said, if you could. I haven't made any claim about the Russian people, and I've limited my analysis to issues I know pretty well. So please stay on topic.

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It doesn’t help when you have LSUPilot07 out there literally wanting Russia to invade Lithuania so that we can finally have the excuse to murder millions of Russians. He’s the only one I think is actually genocidal on this thread and you need to rein him in, but you’re too drunk on the war to call him out like you do me.



Again, how is this relevant to the fricking question, you insane retard? My god. I asked you about turmoil in October and you respond with this? Can you not follow an argument? For the love of all that is holy, stay on topic, you insane bitch.

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Y’all are in a fricking warmongering bubble. Again if I go over to the Poliboard and talk about this war, they call me a Zelensky cuck. The truth is in the middle and you refuse to acknowledge it.



Again, look at MY POSTS and things I HAVE SAID, not to the thread itself. And then read what I wrote carefully and respond to it, not to some reference to some other random poster.

You are so retarded that for the first time in all my posts on this hellsite did I have to capitalize random words like a dude who just got on the internet after he lost object permanence a few years ago. I had to capitalize them because you kept bringing up things that aren't relevant. So please, for the last time, read my post again and respond to the topic within the post. Otherwise, my advice is the same. Stop posting drivel, the examples of which are in the quoted sections, as they aren't even relevant to my original points. Seriously, what on earth made you think that your responses were responses to my points? I tend to deal with lots of terrible morons on this hellsite, but your inability to follow an argument at all is amazing.
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Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:51 pm to
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That's exactly what these Ukraine bros are - a bunch of bored George W. Bush style Republicans or Obama shitlibs who get off on the war LARPing.



Bitch, I can't wait to see what new full jersey shite you bought, you full kit wanker. Start wearing American clothes you Banana Republic wearing bitch.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16185 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:00 pm to
Since the Russian refined products exports never actually rebounded from lockdowns all around the world in 2020, Putin has singlehandedly created demand for its refining sector with massive need for diesel and kerosene (jet fuel)

The dude must be an economic genius to be spending so much money on things he cannot afford.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:04 pm to
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Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:15 pm to
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Again I read the news and you don’t.


Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:15 pm to
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But what do we do with the Nazis armed with cruise missiles after the war no matter how this ends? It’s happened dozens if not hundreds of times throughout history where a country arms a smaller enemy in the name of destroying a bigger enemy only for the smaller enemy to undermine their financiers and taking everything for themselves in the end. It’s a scenario y’all don’t want to acknowledge as possible.


We do we just don’t freak out about it because it’s not equivalent to the more recent examples that have been mentioned ITT. Again, we don’t even know they’ve distributed advanced weapons to them and in what quantities. They should be using all of the advanced weapons in theater with low probability of holdover given we’re not exactly giving them massive quantities relative to the scale of disadvantage they face.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38246 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:18 pm to
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Sanctions on Russia only ended up hurting Americans more than our government already has.


I thought they weren’t working ?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39825 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:19 pm to
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I find all of your posts as underestimating Russia’s capabilities. Here’s one I’ll cite.



What? There is no link.

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I’ll say that’s fair to you specifically.



Brah I have a litany of posts on geopolitics, all written as dryly as possible. Never once have I suggested that regular people should suffer on account of what their government does.

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Biden and the UN have admitted food shortages are on the way. Again, if they already have to admit to something that horrible how bad do you think it’s actually going to be? The UN has warned that 150 million more people are going to go hungry this year.



Thank you for finally staying on topic. My good god was that so hard? So you clearly didn't read the report that this CBS link was based on. The report states directly on page xiv or so that the 150 million number is strictly since the beginning of the pandemic. If you look on page 9 of the report, they acknowledge directly that the war in Ukraine isn't part of their estimates, as it relates strictly to 2021.

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Again I read the news and you don’t. You are simply in a Dungeons and Dragons like cult thinking this war is all fun and games, but in the end you’re going to come out looking like Ender who wasn’t LARPing even if he thought he was and be complicit to millions of deaths. It’s going to be a rude wake up when you see this winter and then the following spring when we will be even more fricked in the supply line thanks to a global famine.


Lol, you think I don't read the news? That's a new one.

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We’re clearly talking past each other. I don’t consider you one of the worse offenders on this thread, but feel exactly about you what you feel about me. I think you’re without real exception are missing the forest for the trees. This isn’t saying you’re dumb since these type of thinkers help rein in thinkers like me and understand the intricacies more than I do, but you’re a tree thinker and I’m a forest thinker.



Brah, I couldn't even give you that much credit. Instead of talking about the forest, you talk about potential forests that could exist in a world where x, y, z, and aa will happen. And when someone asks you about x, you respond with 'warmonger' and when someone asks you about y, you do the same.

Again, we have a much larger dataset that suggests that Russia will not abide by any agreement brokered by a third-party. Think about that for a second. What does that mean?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:20 pm to
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Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61751 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:22 pm to
One of your loon buddies is posting the lame Ukraine/US bio-lab BS over on the OT board. You need to get over there and contribute some of your excellent knowledge on the subject.
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:27 pm to
Ukrainian mcdonalds are being rumored to open back up in August.

Source: a verified Ukrainian who's been posting on survivalforums.com for a long time now.

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