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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:51 am to DarthRebel
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:51 am to DarthRebel
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Russia is going to come out the other side much stronger as well
Sure, with a much weaker military that will take at least a decade to replace equipment lost and that is if they still use the same decades old technology. For a modern upgrade, decades will be needed. Their new tank only has a baker's dozen of protypes which breakdown in parades.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:53 am to DarthRebel
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Russia is going to come out the other side much stronger as well.
Please tell us specifically how Russia is going to be stronger after this:
1. Economically
2. Militarily
3. Geopolitical Influence
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:02 am to Kentucker
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The supports at the bottom of the pic look absolutely flimsy compared to the rest of the bridge. Maybe they were the target?
First, I am not trying to take anything away from HIMARS if they had been using the GRAD system they would be lucky to get a hit with dozens of rockets fired. The particular munition used just doesn't cause the type of damage to make it highly effective against this type of bridge. The US wouldn't have used this type of attack nor would the Ukranians if they had air superiority or the proper cruise missle.
As to this post yes the piers would be a good point of attack but below those steel beams and bearings are larger concrete piers. From a combat engineer standpoint the steel members would be easier to cut but a lot more time intensive to place compared to a top down attach. On the spans over ground you could attack the bottom of the pier but those will require a lot of explosives AND make the bridge harder to recover later. This is important if you may need to use them yourself later.
HIMARS will work here but you are going to have to expend a lot more assets to get the desired effect. As I said these prestressed concrete beam bridges are really tough and this one in terms of the longitudinal support of the deck slab functions like three separate bridges although they are connected. It functions as two in the steel supports of the pier but the only single point of failure is the concrete pier and its foundation. If you hit the concrete portion of the pier it calls two entire spans into serious question.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 am to SoonerK
Russia is trying to sell its gold bullion due it really needs the money, and sanctions are preventing these sales
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 am to WeeWee
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Correct. Ppl are forgetting that military equipment is much heavier than regular cars and trucks. Plus if there are potholes then tracks will tear up the surrounding deck quick, fast, and in a hurry.
sorry but the other guy is right. if you dont hit the beams, didnt do shite.
source....im a degreed ce.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:10 am to RLDSC FAN
Four more High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems going to Ukraine, Pentagon chief says
The U.S. will be sending Ukraine four additional High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) in another security assistance package to be announced later this week, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Wednesday.
In opening remarks at a virtual meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, Austin said the incoming package will be the 16th drawdown of weapons from the Pentagon’s inventory since August 2021.
The systems in the upcoming package would bring the number of launchers the U.S. has sent to 16. The U.S. has sent 12 thus far, most recently sending four in a $400 million assistance package announced on July 8.
In addition to the HIMARS, the upcoming package will include more rounds of multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) and artillery ammunition.
Yahoo News
The U.S. will be sending Ukraine four additional High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) in another security assistance package to be announced later this week, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Wednesday.
In opening remarks at a virtual meeting of the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, Austin said the incoming package will be the 16th drawdown of weapons from the Pentagon’s inventory since August 2021.
The systems in the upcoming package would bring the number of launchers the U.S. has sent to 16. The U.S. has sent 12 thus far, most recently sending four in a $400 million assistance package announced on July 8.
In addition to the HIMARS, the upcoming package will include more rounds of multiple-launch rocket systems (MLRS) and artillery ammunition.
Yahoo News
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:13 am to cypher
Russian occupiers want to close Kherson bridge after Armed Forces of Ukraine hit it for the second time – Russian media
Wednesday, 20 July 2022, 12:49
The Russian media has reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have struck the Antonivka Road Bridge in Kherson for the second time in two days, and now the occupiers have said that it should be closed.
Source: Russian state-sponsored publications RIA Novosti, TASS and Izvestia; collaborator Volodymyr Saldo on Telegram
Quote from collaborator Kirill Stremousov: "Most likely, we will close the bridge to traffic. We will find ways to connect with the left bank. We will build pontoon bridges. I am convinced that the bridge should be closed now."
Details: According to Stremousov, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired 12 missiles at the Antonivka Bridge from HIMARS and were targeting the "seam of the bridge".
Ukrainska Pravda
Wednesday, 20 July 2022, 12:49
The Russian media has reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have struck the Antonivka Road Bridge in Kherson for the second time in two days, and now the occupiers have said that it should be closed.
Source: Russian state-sponsored publications RIA Novosti, TASS and Izvestia; collaborator Volodymyr Saldo on Telegram
Quote from collaborator Kirill Stremousov: "Most likely, we will close the bridge to traffic. We will find ways to connect with the left bank. We will build pontoon bridges. I am convinced that the bridge should be closed now."
Details: According to Stremousov, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired 12 missiles at the Antonivka Bridge from HIMARS and were targeting the "seam of the bridge".
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:13 am to DarthRebel
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Russia is going to come out the other side much stronger as well.
Nah. They could have gained far more concessions if they didn't invade. Now their security concerns are extended from just the European plain to now the Nordic region. That's an 800 mile border that added to the myriad of security concerns in Eastern Europe. Germany has now committed far more to its defense, they are still at the behest of Turkey for entry into the Med, they still have issues with Japan in the Pacific, they might lose control of the Caspian Basin which would circumvent the hold they have on gas to Europe and a myriad of other things. The conference yesterday with Erdogan in Iran was the most uncomfortable I've ever seen Putin.
Russia is in a far worse geopolitical position than it was before the invasion.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:28 am to SoonerK
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Economically
Well, the Ruble is the strongest performing currency in the world right now. That is not exactly a good thing for Russia long term, however the initial sanctions from the West were supposed to crater the Ruble. Russia had already planned for this scenario, so that win goes to Russia right now.
They are betting on long term impact from sanctions, however it is just a bet at this point. Russia's recent alignment with Middle East and Asia will pretty ensure the long term impact will be minimal.
There have been some manufactured defaults on loans by Russia that in a normal world would have a long impact on borrowing, however as point 2 above they have outs.
Lastly, let us see what this Winter brings for Europe. The world needs a lot of Russia's resources.
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Militarily
Wars create advancement in military hardware. Our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan did that for us, maybe Russia gets the same benefit. To consider their military weak is a wrong assumption. There is just one other country on this planet the USA cannot defeat in total war and that is Russia. We could not defeat them with or without nukes, same goes for them vs. USA. An argument could be made China is in that group now as well, but that is not relevant to this thread.
Russia is learning how to engage in a calculated war and not flat out blitzkrieg. They have the ability to remove Ukraine from the map, but they have not. It would not be in their interests. We did the same in ME and Afghanistan. The US military tactics are completely different now, than the Cold War days. It took decades for them to learn.
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Geopolitical Influence
They are going to keep whatever influence they had. The grand standing of politicians and governments comes and goes, but location, resources and trade will always make them relevant. When few countries that created a hissy fit shut-up, it will soon be like nothing happened. Time is a bitch and it always wins.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:29 am to lsu777
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sorry but the other guy is right. if you dont hit the beams, didnt do shite. source....im a degreed ce.
I’m not talking about destroying the bridge. I’m talking about reducing it’s usefulness to the Ruskies. Any damage is going to reduce the amount of supplies that the Ruskies can transfer across the bridge => less supplies to the troops trying to fight off the Ukrainian offensive.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:34 am to crazy4lsu
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Russia is in a far worse geopolitical position than it was before the invasion.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Remember that 20 year war in Afghanistan the USA waged.
Expanding NATO is just idiotic, America sending weapons to Ukraine is even more crazy.
A lot more people would be alive if the US/Europe would have stayed out of Ukraine. Before and during the war.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:36 am to crazy4lsu
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The conference yesterday with Erdogan in Iran was the most uncomfortable I've ever seen Putin.
He sure didn’t look like he enjoyed being the bff of the Ayatollah.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:40 am to DarthRebel
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They are going to keep whatever influence they had.
This doesn’t appear to be the case.
Their perceived military strength has been shown to be overrated.
Their diplomatic credibility is damaged, as no one will believe a word Putin says.
And their war has encouraged other countries to join NATO.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:43 am to DarthRebel
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To consider their military weak is a wrong assumption. There is just one other country on this planet the USA cannot defeat in total war and that is Russia. We could not defeat them with or without nukes
You gotta get more ventilation when using the plastic solvent. If nukes were off the table we would roll over them like the Rams playing a D3 team.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:49 am to Obtuse1
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You gotta get more ventilation when using the plastic solvent. If nukes were off the table we would roll over them like the Rams playing a D3 team.
When a new username shows up with fanatical claims like this, I always click on the name to see the post history. It never fails..post after post on "Political Talk".
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:51 am to DarthRebel
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Well, the Ruble is the strongest performing currency in the world right now. That is not exactly a good thing for Russia long term, however the initial sanctions from the West were supposed to crater the Ruble. Russia had already planned for this scenario, so that win goes to Russia right now.
The Ruble is performing well because of currency controls. Currency controls work in the short term but eventually make the currency worthless if they are left in place too. Russia is bragging about being able to limit inflation to 14.5% and being able to limit its gdp to a 5% contaction. How in the flying f**k can you spin that as a positive for Russia.
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Lastly, let us see what this Winter brings for Europe. The world needs a lot of Russia's resources.
Russia needs the foreign hard currency from the sale of their resources more than the world needs Russian resources. It will be painful and take awhile but Europe can and is diversifying its energy sources to decrease their reliance on Russian energy. Russia can’t replace the revenue lost by Europe using less Russian gas and it definitely can’t afford to cut off gas to Europe for a long time.
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Wars create advancement in military hardware. Our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan did that for us, maybe Russia gets the same benefit. To consider their military weak is a wrong assumption.
Russia has been reduced to using raw recruits and early cold war era equipment and even pulling WW2 equipment from junkyards and museums. How is that not weak?
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They are going to keep whatever influence they had.
Then explain why Egypt and Iraq are considering canceling their T90 orders and they are more receptive to the Biden administration than they were this time last year.
Also
for making me say something nice about the Biden administration.Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:51 am to Obtuse1
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f nukes were off the table we would roll over them like the Rams playing a D3 team.
Once again, how did Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan work out for us? Even Iraq was a "L" for the strongest military in the world.
Now explain how we get our invasion force to the other side of the world to roll over them and maintain or we just going to kill every Russian with a massive air campaign.
It is a 2 way street though, Russia could not invade us either. Although Red Dawn was a great movie.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:52 am to DarthRebel
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characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:53 am to DarthRebel
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Remember that 20 year war in Afghanistan the USA waged.
What? Is there a point that you forgot to attach to this reference? The US, unlike Russia, had much more broad support for action there because of the political context.
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Expanding NATO is just idiotic
Well, it isn’t like NATO is making countries do something they don’t want to do. Before the Russian invasion, Finnish popular support was around 50%. As soon as the invasion occurred it jumped to the 65% or so. The original expansion was driven by former Warsaw Pact countries who did not want to be in Russia’s sphere of influence.
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America sending weapons to Ukraine is even more crazy.
Nah it is pretty standard fare in geopolitics. Every country does it to peer rivals.
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A lot more people would be alive if the US/Europe would have stayed out of Ukraine. Before and during the war.
Again, it isn’t like the US and Europe drove this by themselves. Russian paranoia drove this. They are the ones who invaded. That everything, regardless of who does the action, reflects back on the US, is such a silly way of talking about geopolitics. Ask yourself this, given what occurred in 2012-14, would Russia have still invaded absent the US?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:53 am to WeeWee
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Also for making me say something nice about the Biden administration.
You chose who you wanted to align with. Think about that. Zelenskyy and Biden are who you are hitching your wagon to.
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