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re: La. House to vote on recreational weed today. Updated with video link
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:31 am to A Smoke Break
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:31 am to A Smoke Break
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I haven't smoked weed in two decades.
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Posted by A Smoke Break
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Are you really naive enough to believe that all of what is essentially kickback money doesn’t get spread around the courthouse, in some form or fashion? It’s a very exclusive club, the courthouse.
THAT is the money maker for the prosecutor offices, not the LEO
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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THAT is the money maker for the prosecutor offices, not the LEO
Just another way for a governmental agency to fleece the public.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:This.
a city beat cop in an urban area may turn a blind eye to weed
a traffic patrol cop whose job requires him to create reasons to pull people over AND search? MJ is huge to that person
A BRPD or NOPD cop patrolling the streets might turn a blind eye. Any Sheriff or Trooper that catches you on a highway or interstate is going to nail your arse for the smallest amount.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:33 am to lachellie
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Are you really naive enough to believe that all of what is essentially kickback money doesn’t get spread around the courthouse, in some form or fashion? It’s a very exclusive club, the courthouse.
i have been involved with intricate discussions about various pools of money and you're naïve if you think institutions enjoy sharing their spoils
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:34 am to NIH
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Please provide some substance behind “most cops turn a blind eye to weed.” Thanks.
Well, you won't believe any story I tell so what does it matter. Let me tell you a little secret, cops don't like to arrest people. There are few proactive people out there but arrests are a lot of time and paperwork along with all of the other reports they have to complete in a shift. Bagging and inputting evidence is another hassle. Most cops don't care about weed and aren't out searching for it. If they come across someone with guns and a decent criminal history they will frick with it because they have to but by and large most cops don't want the hassle. You'll believe otherwise but I can't help that.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:35 am to The Melt
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investigative units don't seize unless it's a bunch of cash
this is false
across the country, most forfeitures are NOT from the big cases, but small cases where the citizens don't contest the forfeiture because it doesn't make economic sense
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The median currency forfeiture is small, averaging just $1,276 across 21 states with available data. In some states, the median forfeiture is only a few hundred dollars. These low values suggest forfeiture often is not targeting kingpins or major financial fraudsters.
LINK
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:35 am to S
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S
Fair. Unrelated to weed though.
Friends at work would give me shite for taking smokes all the time, so it stuck. Has been my handle online ever since.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:36 am to glassman
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Diversion programs.
So we went from asset forfeiture to fines to now diversions programs. Ok, show me the revenue streams and the fund names if you are so sure of this. Surely you have come across something linking weed arrests to diversion programs and money going back to the PD or SO and you aren't making an assumption.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:37 am to The Melt
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So a patrol deputy or street police officer one finds a few ounces (because they are letting them go or giving a ticket for anything less) is filing civil forfeiture paperwork and going through the process with the judge and DA's Office?
Are you a police officer? Because you’re making yourself out to be. I never suggested this was civil forfeiture, I was very clear the police are just stealing the money from the dealers
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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1. civil asset forfeiture
2. arrests. creates perceived demand for services
3. fines/CCs flow to the system. sheriffs collect this. other than getting a piece of the pie, it, again, creates demand for services
4. sheriffs get money for inmates held in their jails. YUGE money maker. cut down on arrests, you cut down on confinement
All this. The idea that local police departments and sheriff's offices are just overlooking marijuana charges is a joke. If that were the case, why would they be against legalization? What sense would it make to oppose something that you're actively choosing to overlook?
Opinion: How Louisiana cops prey on private property
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In addition, federal "equitable sharing" rules allow Louisiana law enforcement agencies to keep up to 80 percent of the proceeds recovered from the forfeited property.
This federal gravy train is too tempting for some police departments to resist. Louisiana state and local law enforcement agencies fattened their budgets in 2016 by more than $1.4 million through this practice, including these more aggressive departments: Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office, $254,617; Hammond Police Department, $252,534; Baton Rouge Police Department, $405,076; Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, $65,656; Kenner Police Department, $58,453; and Red River Parish Sheriff's Office, $51,117.
But dozens of smaller forfeiture operations take their toll too, such as: $2,727 at the Terrebonne Parish Sheriff's Office; $17,160 at the Shreveport Police Department; $1,025 at the Saint Mary Parish Sheriff's Office; $1,743 at the Lafourche Parish Sheriff's Office; and $5,460 at the Iberville Parish Sheriff's Office.
2009 article detailing Kenner revenue from cases
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Kenner police can spend more time in Kenner now that the city officials have decided to prosecute misdemeanor marijuana cases in City Court instead of state District Court in Gretna.
Kenner officials have decided to prosecute misdemeanor marijuana and drug paraphernalia offenses in Mayor's Court, a move that keeps police officers on Kenner streets rather than in a Gretna courtroom and nets the city as much as $350,000 a year but that also reduces the maximum punishment for some drug offenders
STPSO busts man for...possession of seeds and a grow setup
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The deputy found 70 bags of suspected marijuana seeds, individually packaged raw marijuana and THC wax, premium planting soil, ultraviolet lights, a portable grow tent, blower motors, PH testers, and a 40-caliber pistol inside the vehicle, according to the STPSO.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:40 am to The Melt
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you aren't making an assumption.
Personal experience.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:41 am to The Melt
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Most cops don't care about weed and aren't out searching for it. If they come across someone with guns and a decent criminal history they will frick with it because they have to but by and large most cops don't want the hassle
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Metairie
not the type of area/cops this thread is really talking about. more urban areas also don't give a frick about speeding, either
you think that applies to places like Washington, Welsh, Golden Meadow, etc? of course not. they love the "hassle" of tickets
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:44 am to Ingeniero
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Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office, $254,617;
As I said earlier. They hit the drug stuff hard and weed is a big part of that.
And their Sheriff is related to JBE. So you can expect some serious oppositions on that end. Can't frick with his family member's gravy train.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Jefferson Parish will absolutely bring you to jail over simple possession.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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1. civil asset forfeiture
2. arrests. creates perceived demand for services
3. fines/CCs flow to the system. sheriffs collect this. other than getting a piece of the pie, it, again, creates demand for services
4. sheriffs get money for inmates held in their jails. YUGE money maker. cut down on arrests, you cut down on confinement
1. I've already gone over number one in detail.
2. Not many arrests are made for weed relative to its prevalence. Most cops don't want to deal with it and if they do it is a ticket. Most felony weed cases are made be investigative units. Many of these spurn from neighbors who see increased activity and lowlifes frequenting a house and call in complaints or to Crimestoppers. The rest a brought on by making informants out of arrestees and you take what they give you.
3. Since you are so sure that departments get so much fine money from weed arrests, show the revenue streams and name the fines as ordered by the judge in court. It should be easy to prove since you have had to had some sort of experience or have come across evidence of this in your research on the topic. Most criminals that are convicted don't even pay most of the fines or fees.
4. Sheriffs DO make a ton of money off incarceration but very few are getting incarcerated for weed. Most weed sentences that are because convictions (very few) are misdemeanors or result in felony probation for the 1st and second felony convictions. No prison time for the Sheriffs to get money off of. It's not like restitution is ordered to the agency that arrested the not convict
. Even if it was, criminals by and large, don't pay fines and fees. They may be news to you but there are barely any repercussions for not paying fines and fees. Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:50 am to The Melt
so Sherrifs don't make any money off of weed nor do they care about weed, but they actively argue against legalization
something doesn't add up
something doesn't add up
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:50 am to glassman
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you aren't making an assumption.
Personal experience.
Ok, so if you have personal experience with this you know that the judge lists all fines and fees during sentencing. What fine name is routed to the arresting agency and how much of it routed back? Give the $$$ amount too since you have had a 1st hand experience of this.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:51 am to The Melt
Private prisons need weed arrests. This isn’t getting approved. Vote for better politicians
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:02 am to Macintosh
The vote will be closer than people think, but it will fail.
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