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re: La. House to vote on recreational weed today. Updated with video link

Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by mmonro3
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2013
4163 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:03 pm to
Well frick you too. You seem bitter as well. Go re read your post !
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
5351 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:07 pm to
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Convictions are much less tha arrests. In order for the Sheriffs to be making money on weed arrests, there has to be a certain fine that links to a fund and goes back to the Sheriff.


This Louisiana homie... all that “what the Sheriff has to do” don’t count here... they making money off weed arrests because they make off weed arrests... the “how” they doing it...you are not privy to... this is Louisiana
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:08 pm to
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I assumed that pretty much every weed charge was like a traffic fine but for 300-500. If in 2016 there were ~15k poss charges...I assume they are just paying that and its split between the police and DA office in that district or where ever the Judge says.

I assume 30% atleast goes to arresting agency similar to tickets.

i mean you are talking 7.5 million on top of the 10 million from CAF. thinking in general the CAF+fines for drugs are atleast 30million per year in this state. Half is prolly weed. so 15 million per year across the state.

Its apparently enough for them to fight it.


That's my entire argument. Everybody is assuming the arresting agency is getting a large portion of the fines but nobody has explained how they came to this. The structure for moveable traffic offenses is much different than other crimes as money goes back to the police at a higher rate for "helping with public safety." Most other fines, at least in the JDCs I worked in went back to the JDC to run operations, several state funds for public safety and public pensions, the DAs office and the IDB. The DA's office may split a portion of their portion with the arresting agency but it is not much. And there probably weren't anywhere near 17k fines issued in 2016 as many cases are combined with other charges (pled guilty to something else they were charged for) or the cases were flat out dropped. From my experience and knowledge, cops aren't getting much money from drug law violation arrests, especially not the relative few arrests for weed. We may be talking about 5-10% of the fine (max, if they get any at all) and probably only half of the people pay their fines.

Like other posters have said, they are probably standing in the way of this because they know it would pass if they didn't want they are using it as a bargaining chip for something else. Trust me, police can make just as much in fines in asset forfeiture with Heroin and Meth (which are both felonies and have higher minimum fines associated with them). The posters acting like the police are going to break without the money relative to weed are being dramatic. Now, that would be true with some small departments relative to traffic tickets but not weed.

Alo the 10 million figure you are referencing is not for weed. That is for all asset forfeiture (fraud, pill mills, other drug dealing, money laundering...).
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 1:11 pm
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13260 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:12 pm to
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I used to drink with the Chief, Reggie Pitre (got fired for punching a dude in a bar off-duty btw) and he would openly admit that the city would push for ticketing out of towners speeders for revenue so I'm not saying it doesn't happen in places like that. I think they would push for 10 tickets a shift


And people wonder why the public trust and approval of police is steadily declining in this country.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58760 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:12 pm to
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Weed will be legalized before sports betting



didn't sports betting already pass?
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7582 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:13 pm to
I despise New Orleans but for rec weed I'll make it my fav vacation spot. Vote yes, reps.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:13 pm to
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got the stats? not being a smart arse I would love to have them...I couldnt find them.


I'm one who believes that if it de-criminalized in New Orleans, baton rouge, shreveport etc.. it should also be treated the same way in every rural town. In rural towns they still post arrests in local newspapers. These are always filled with possession of marijuana arrests.

So now, if you were to drive through Grant, LA Salle, or Natchitoches parish etc with a little under an ounce..You're getting more than a fine.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43726 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:15 pm to
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La. House to vote No on recreational weed today.


FIFY
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
12377 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:15 pm to
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Like other posters have said, they are probably standing in the way of this because they know it would pass if they didn't want they are using it as a bargaining chip for something else.
So you are saying they are willing to kill it if they don't get what that want?

No interest in the law itself, or the thousands of individuals who are impacted by a plant every year. All about what can you do for me. So damn stupid.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:16 pm to
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I despise New Orleans but for rec weed I'll make it my fav vacation spot.

There are better alternatives.
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:18 pm to
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So you are saying they are willing to kill it if they don't get what that want?

No interest in the law itself, or the thousands of individuals who are impacted by a plant every year. All about what can you do for me. So damn stupid.


Exactly, they know that some legislators rely on the Sheriffs' support, endorsement, and money in order to get re-elected and they are using it as a bargaining chip. Louisiana politics at its best.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:19 pm to
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There are better alternatives.


The Netherlands is one btw
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:21 pm to
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Your just talking possession charges. Trafficking and intent to distribute is where they make the “real money”!
Not just you, every poster so far, especially the ones "nobody just for possession or simple use", are forgetting about the Re-incarceration of probationary persons.

Joe Thief out on bond, bail, or parole, pees hot. Back to the hoosegow! Jane Sex Offender teacher probation violation for possession of a joint, 10 years that was suspended ain't suspended no more.

A lot of reincarceration over simple pot violations but it's a semantics game. Probation/parole violation on paper but real world it's just a pot thing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293053 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:22 pm to
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The Netherlands is one btw


Plenty of American cities now offer product. No need to travel abroad for the weed
Posted by lachellie
LALA Land
Member since Aug 2012
1124 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:23 pm to
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No one is telling you that you can’t plant a redwood.


But they do say you can’t grow coca or opium poppies.
Posted by mmonro3
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2013
4163 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:25 pm to
Thankfully I was a good probationer and got off early. Sort of easy to do with three and half years hanging over your head if you do mess up!
Posted by Bayou_Tiger_225
Third Earth
Member since Mar 2016
12377 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:25 pm to
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Plenty of American cities now offer product. 
True, but assuming that poster is from GA, Nola would by far be the closest location for them.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Minden tiger
Minden,Louisiana
Member since Apr 2006
3304 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:27 pm to
Soooooo, are they voting today?
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49475 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:29 pm to
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Plenty of American cities now offer product. No need to travel abroad for the weed


Dont go just for weed. Maybe go just to erase new orleans as being a premier destination location
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted by The Melt
Metairie
Member since Apr 2018
984 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:31 pm to
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Not just you, every poster so far, especially the ones "nobody just for possession or simple use", are forgetting about the Re-incarceration of probationary persons.

Joe Thief out on bond, bail, or parole, pees hot. Back to the hoosegow! Jane Sex Offender teacher probation violation for possession of a joint, 10 years that was suspended ain't suspended no more.

A lot of reincarceration over simple pot violations but it's a semantics game. Probation/parole violation on paper but real world it's just a pot thing.


This is just incorrect. Probation/Parole is rarely revoked for what they call technical offenses. shite, it's barely revoked in some districts for new felony convictions. The most they would make you do for just a few hot tests is start going to outpatient treatment. If that doesn't work they will do an ACT 402 to bring you in front of the judge to sternly talk to you. You really have to frick up to get revoked.
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