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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:56 am to Squints 3410
The state said they didn't know who dropped off the drone video and just found out last week it was Brandon Beaman. However, Brandon Beaman was on the state's witness list from the beginning. So, they knew all along.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:58 am to TDTOM
The fact that the judge has yet to call a mistrial with prejudice is insane.
On top of that, the two ADA’s, and possibly the DA, should be disbarred.
On top of that, the two ADA’s, and possibly the DA, should be disbarred.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:58 am to TDTOM
Prosecutors need to feel the heat of rioters.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:59 am to cable
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Jesus - can you imagine arguing over the same things for 55 days - sounds a bit like marriage.
If I was convinced of guilt or innocence, I certainly wouldn't change my opinion just to get to a verdict. And I imagine the chance that another jury member could come up with something to change my opinion would dwindle to nothing pretty quickly.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:59 am to Scruffy
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The fact that the judge has yet to call a mistrial with prejudice is insane.
The defense needs to be dropping motions non-stop, or at least adding to existing motions. They need to demand a mistrial from the judge. They are simply too passive.
This post was edited on 11/19/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:01 am to TDTOM
The appeal fodder is piling up more and more every day.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:04 am to JDPndahizzy
Just read on Sebastian Gorka's tweeter that the defense was overheard saying it's a 6-6 split amongst the jurors. Didn't mention which charge.
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:05 am to Gee Grenouille
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the defense was overheard saying it's a 6-6 split amongst the jurors
No one knows. If it was truly 6-6 they call it.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:06 am to Gee Grenouille
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Just read on Sebastian Gorka's tweeter that the defense was overheard saying it's a 6-6 split amongst the jurors. Didn't mention which charge.
How would the defense lawyers even know this?
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:07 am to JDPndahizzy
quote:Fighting for an appeal during the actual trial sounds retarded any a recipe for a loss.
The appeal fodder is piling up more and more every day.
How about they fight to win the first one?
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:08 am to LSUBoo
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They aren't sequestered... they can go to the game and still be back in "deliberation" on Monday.
I guess I was hoping the judge was going to tell them they would stay in the jurors room until they reached a verdict. He could send them each a ham and cheese, on Bunny, every four hours until they finished their job.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:08 am to TDTOM
I'd find Kyle not guilty but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that there are serious issues jurors would struggle with like:
Whether they saw Kyle raise his weapon towards Rosenbaum on the drone video when he encountered Rosenbaum just before Rosenbaum chased him and got shot (I couldn't tell and, as we know, the defense made a good case for the zoom function adding artifacts to the video so the video couldn't prove it one way or another)
Whether Rosenbaum grabbed his rifle just before he was shot (there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence shown to prove that although Rosenbaum did have gunshot residue on his hands).
Whether Kyle had exhausted his escape options before he shot Rosenbaum.
And with the fact that Kyle fired multiple shots after the first one incapacitated Rosenbaum but didn't kill him (though the 4 shots only took about 0.75 seconds so he was not spending time assessing Rosenbaum's condition).
And there is the question of whether Kyle went looking for trouble (he essentially testified that he knew leaving his crew was dangerous), pointed his weapon at another dude (in video Kyle tells the dude he did but explained it as a sarcastic comment) and just should have stayed at the location he was guarding with his crew (although he has the legal right to walk around carrying wherever he wanted).
The case seems to me to boil down to what happened with Rosenbaum because everything flowed from that. There is also the issue of whether Huber, jump kick man and Grosskreutz legitimately believed that Kyle was an active shooter who needed to be stopped (although Kyle talked to Grosskreutz as they walked and said he was turning himself in to police, Grosskreutz said he misunderstood him).
If I were on the jury, I would take these issues seriously, although I would find Kyle not guilty.
Whether they saw Kyle raise his weapon towards Rosenbaum on the drone video when he encountered Rosenbaum just before Rosenbaum chased him and got shot (I couldn't tell and, as we know, the defense made a good case for the zoom function adding artifacts to the video so the video couldn't prove it one way or another)
Whether Rosenbaum grabbed his rifle just before he was shot (there was no DNA or fingerprint evidence shown to prove that although Rosenbaum did have gunshot residue on his hands).
Whether Kyle had exhausted his escape options before he shot Rosenbaum.
And with the fact that Kyle fired multiple shots after the first one incapacitated Rosenbaum but didn't kill him (though the 4 shots only took about 0.75 seconds so he was not spending time assessing Rosenbaum's condition).
And there is the question of whether Kyle went looking for trouble (he essentially testified that he knew leaving his crew was dangerous), pointed his weapon at another dude (in video Kyle tells the dude he did but explained it as a sarcastic comment) and just should have stayed at the location he was guarding with his crew (although he has the legal right to walk around carrying wherever he wanted).
The case seems to me to boil down to what happened with Rosenbaum because everything flowed from that. There is also the issue of whether Huber, jump kick man and Grosskreutz legitimately believed that Kyle was an active shooter who needed to be stopped (although Kyle talked to Grosskreutz as they walked and said he was turning himself in to police, Grosskreutz said he misunderstood him).
If I were on the jury, I would take these issues seriously, although I would find Kyle not guilty.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:09 am to Gee Grenouille
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Just read on Sebastian Gorka's tweeter that the defense was overheard saying it's a 6-6 split amongst the jurors. Didn't mention which charge.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:12 am to tgrbaitn08
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ust read on Sebastian Gorka's tweeter that the defense was overheard saying it's a 6-6 split amongst the jurors. Didn't mention which charge.
how the hell would they know, its not like they advertise votes.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:17 am to FreddieMac
And I'm pretty sure they vote on each charge so it would be multiple sets of votes.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:21 am to Scruffy
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Fighting for an appeal during the actual trial sounds retarded any a recipe for a loss.
How about they fight to win the first one?
Of course... Just planning contingencies..
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:22 am to Hangit
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I guess I was hoping the judge was going to tell them they would stay in the jurors room until they reached a verdict. He could send them each a ham and cheese, on Bunny, every four hours until they finished their job.
We don't do that with Congress (and we should) so why would they do it with a jury?
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:22 am to Diseasefreeforall
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Whether Kyle had exhausted his escape options before he shot Rosenbaum.
Obviously not since he didnt stop and call an Uber.
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:22 am to Diseasefreeforall
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Whether Kyle had exhausted his escape options before he shot Rosenbaum.
If Richards was even halfway decent, they wouldn't even debate this. It's literally part of the law he doesn't have to do that.
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