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re: JP Sheriff Newell Normand's tirade over potentially legalizing marijuana.

Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:52 am to
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:52 am to
A couple years ago the St Tammany sheriff said in an interview that legalizing pot would result in drug dealers on every corner. The shite these fricks say doesn't even make sense, and doesn't seem to have to make sense.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:55 am to
You know who doesn't want drugs legalized?

Drug dealers.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:56 am to
Nungesser is so worried about "sending the wrong message". What message are you sending by only listening to the sheriff's association? That you care more about lobby dollars than the will of the people? How about allowing the electorate to decide this for themselves?
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:57 am to
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"We are thinking about decriminalizing marijuana, and we think all of this s*** is going to go away when we do, so, hello?" Normand said. "The havoc it will wreak on our streets will be insurmountable."

"We want to point out four officer-involved shootings?" said Normand. "Why are we not talking about the drug dealing? Why are we not talking about the fear of the families of my deputies?"


Back in the 20's cops were being shot making alcohol busts. When was the last time you heard about a cop being shot during an alcohol bust?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:58 am to
I wonder what kind of message Nunguesser thinks being pegged by hookers sends.
Posted by CCTider
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:12 pm to
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If marijuana doesn't make you violent why does every other criminal they arrest have weed and paraphernalia on them? This guy is right about the "high" cost of drugs in our community


Lol. I love in Colorado, and moved here from Nola. Guess which state has more weed, and which had more violent crime.

I moved from the most dangerous city in America, to what mightbe the safest city in America. If anything is causing additional violence in LA, it's having ridiculous access to alcohol, specifically liquor. It's available cheaply and can be bought 24 hours a day.

Why do you think most uptown stores don't sell liquor? It's not because they're Muslim. Is because they don't want a certain type of customer that selling booze attracts. They have much less problems because of that. (Source: Muslim friend in Nola that had had conversations with store owners at the mosque. And yes, he himself drinks).


The only issue I see worth Louisiana legalizing it, is the state being notoriously lax about carding and overall corruption. Colorado has tried, but have never had a dispensary sell to someone underage. They've been diligent in self policing, because they want the industry to have only positive affects. I doubt Louisiana would do the same.

But y'all feel free to continue to allow criminals to sell marijuana to the Louisiana public, and earn millions in untaxed revenue. I'm sure they'll also check id, and make sure they don't sell it to kids. Because drug dealers are known as caring citizens that want nothing best for their community.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:13 pm to
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You know who doesn't want drugs legalized?

Drug dealers.



Do you know why California doesn't legalize it years ago? Because drug dealers and evangelicals. Ironic, imo.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:14 pm to
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Back in the 20's cops were being shot making alcohol busts. When was the last time you heard about a cop being shot during an alcohol bust?


In this rush for legalization - it would be remiss of me to not remind everyone:

Marijuana is not the panacea that is argued by some of its adherents. It can amplify and worsen psychological problems, heavy, "chronic" use leads to demotivational syndrome, and it has negative cardiovascular/respiratory effects greater than cigarettes on a per use basis (although cig smokers tend to use more, that's true as well).

SO, there is a negative side to legalization that has nothing to do with silly theories about gateway effects. And it will probably spike use, particularly among youngsters during the first few years of legalization before it stabilizes. That's just a fact of legalization. In addition, it does pose problems for law enforcement as it is difficult to do field screening for those who are cannabis impaired and driving an automobile.

So, while I'm on board for either decriminalization or outright legalization - I think a slow transition might be warranted in states like Louisiana - let's get MMJ first, then move towards recreational - perhaps just initially. Such problems are likely to be more manageable if we do it like that.

But it is Reefer Madness tirades like this that make the anti-legalization movement look so silly and out of touch.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:15 pm to
dudes a moron obviously



Posted by El Magnifico
La casa de tu mamá
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:25 pm to
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We want to point out four officer-involved shootings?" said Normand. "Why are we not talking about the drug dealing? Why are we not talking about the fear of the families of my deputies?"


Because not having them enforce a victimless crime that is no longer illegal will actually make them safer?
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25240 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:26 pm to
quote:


A couple years ago the St Tammany sheriff said in an interview that legalizing pot would result in drug dealers on every corner. The shite these fricks say doesn't even make sense, and doesn't seem to have to make sense


I know a lot of former weed dealers in Colorado. They will often start a sentence with "back when pot was worth something, i would..."

Yeah, we don't have pot dealers here anymore. Legalizing has basically killed the black market. There still some black market, but it's very, very small, and is pretty much hippies selling from the a few plants they grew in their backyard. It's fan near nonexistent.


Also, this fricking awesome story...

Marijuana Legalization in Colorado Is Killing Mexican Drug Cartels

frick the cartels.
Posted by El Magnifico
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:31 pm to
Reminds me of this video of idiots on the Morton Downey show chanting "just say no" to Ron Paul when he was speaking on legalizing drugs. fricking morons LINK

Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:36 pm to
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Lol. I love in Colorado, and moved here from Nola. Guess which state has more weed, and which had more violent crime.


Guess which state has more "violent crime people"
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:39 pm to
gaucho trolling you
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10860 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:42 pm to
it's insane to me that they have this massive revenue stream sitting right in front of their faces and don't do shite about it.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:43 pm to
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just don't think it sends the right message that we're going to legalize it because we have a budget problem," Lt. Governor Billy Nungesser said.

Nungesser said he would look to the sheriff's offices across the state and go with their recommendations.

And there it is. DOA.

The wrong message is the government continually trying to convince the populace that pot is evil. Too many people know that's horseshite, and it creates skepticism about anything else the government might say about drugs.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:44 pm to
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"We want to point out four officer-involved shootings?" said Normand. "Why are we not talking about the drug dealing? Why are we not talking about the fear of the families of my deputies?"


Those damn liquor store clerks always shooting cops.....
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96252 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:52 pm to
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it's insane to me that they have this massive revenue stream sitting right in front of their faces and don't do shite about it.


Hard to say it's "massive" - because it will not be a costless change. There will be some short-term glitches. There will be a (expensive) regulatory agency and enforcement office. It will be a slight positive over time, IMHO, as there will be some net gains from not enforcing small possession amounts.

But, it is not this budget silver bullet - it wasn't for Colorado and it definitely will not be for Louisiana.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
25240 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:58 pm to
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SO, there is a negative side to legalization that has nothing to do with silly theories about gateway effects. And it will probably spike use, particularly among youngsters during the first few years of legalization before it stabilizes. That's just a fact of legalization.


Colorado is #1 in youth Marijuana use rate. But the numbers haven't changed in years. We became #1 because other state's usage rates dropped. So we didn't have an uptick. They've found the people who use will use. Those that doesn't before, while they may try an edible, they don't start because it's now legal.

LINK


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In addition, it does pose problems for law enforcement as it is difficult to do field screening for those who are cannabis impaired and driving an automobile.


As someone who has reached the point where I've been using longer during my life than i haven't, I 100% agree that you shouldn't drive stoned. That's why Colorado, and private companies nationwide have been developing the Marijuana breathalyzer. So they can detect impairment instead of recent use.

LINK



Besides cops that risk losing a source of funding, and drug dealers that would have to get a real job, Louisiana'a biggest opponent to legalization is the alcohol industry. People who are high usually drink less, which spike reduce their sales. They will absolutely lobby hard to prevent this from happening.

Louisiana smoker's only hope is that the state's financial situation continues to decline. Money is the only way things will change. And if the oil industry doesn't recover soon, that may happen.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16413 posts
Posted on 2/23/16 at 1:02 pm to
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He's just mad to potentially lose a revenue stream


Although I think there's a very good chance that this is the exact root of his argurment, that assumption could be a basic underestimation on how stupid some people truly are. He may actually believe that the legalizing of marijuana will lead to more crime.
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