re: Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris?

Most farmers are smarter than these two... and more useful. Cowboys have deeper thoughts.

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Most farmers are smarter than these two... and more useful. Cowboys have deeper thoughts.

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Because how dare they question the status quo?!

I like them both a lot. Harris is the most logical and rational thinker on earth, though.

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but he is blind as frick when it comes to Christianity.

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I don't think that's the case at all.

Harris is the better debater hands down.

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Which one do you enjoy listening to more?

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Depends upon the subject being discussed. Peterson's strengths are in the humanities, discussions about the climate on universities over the last 20 years, nietzsche, dostoyevsky, carl jung, self improvement, and aspects of clinical psychology that relate to all of those.

Harris is very strong on artificial intelligence, ethics, free will, meditation, neuroscience as it relates to religious experience, Buddhism, consciousness, biology, and occasionally more basic sciences.

They are both very interesting people who will sometimes deeply please and sometimes deeply enrage their audience. Who you prefer probably mostly depends upon your areas of interest and common values. They are not entirely different people but the differences between them are areas they would probably never tire of disagreeing upon.

I don't think either one of them neatly falls within a political description although both will be described by their opponents as radical - mostly because people are intolerant of any disagreement rather than either one being especially intemperate by any reasonable political scale.

Harris for example enrages some on the left by talking with Charles Murray, criticizing Islam, talking positively about gun rights, and disparaging the modern university climate. But enrages some on the right by loathing Trump and being more traditionally liberal (or at least libertarian) on many social issues. He is probably the kind of guy who has traditionally voted Democrat but finds himself poorly represented by both parties at this point in American politics. His discussions about who was a worse choice as president last go around were pretty much a shite sandwich versus giant douche dilemma that ended with him hating the shite sandwich enough to vote against him.

both obviously very intelligent and have interesting ideas but I prefer reading/listening to Harris as his ideas seem more rooted in evidence/reality and Peterson tends to speculate and apply his own internal experiences outward and present them as fact.

EDIT: I do love Peterson's interview with Cathy Newman

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Harris is also a real scientist whereas Peterson will always be a soft scientist.

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Harris has a PhD in neuroscience, but has done zero research in many years. He has like a single publication in the literature. He quit to write about religion and spirituality and stuff. Calling him a scientist is completely wrong. He’s a science fan.

Peterson has decades of research and publications in clinical psychology (granted a “social science”, but one of the “harder” ones.). Not to mention experience with thousands of clients and hours of lecturing. He’s thought more about the stuff he says than Sam.


That said, i follow both of them pretty closely and have learned a TON from the Waking Up podcast.

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If he is this intellectually dishonest or just plain stupid then I can't take anything else he says seriously.

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please explain how he is being intellectually dishonest