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re: Joe Rogan interviews inventor of the tech behind the vaccines. Most interesting of 2021!

Posted on 1/3/22 at 11:42 am to
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 11:42 am to
I'm sure I'll get bashed for this but so be it. Some of you covidiots are almost as bad as the covidian vaxxers.

Yes the fed government and Fauci have been terrible, especially the past year.

The reality is though Vaccines were originally pushed HARD and still are because its the only way to possibly prevent a virus. Even an effective treatment is going to have a high death rate in the at risk groups. So there was some logical reasons to originally push a vaccine.

Additionally, if there are good treatments then people will be averse to getting a vaccine.

Given both of those, this has absolutely been a failed political ploy and its definitely BS that the fed gov has done more to help with treatments.
Posted by Big Ole Baw
Member since Dec 2021
352 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 11:44 am to
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The reality is though Vaccines were originally pushed HARD and still are because its the only way to possibly prevent a virus.


The data does not support this to the point that even the covidians don't say it.

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Even an effective treatment is going to have a high death rate in the at risk groups.


If it's effective then that's not true.

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Additionally, if there are good treatments then people will be averse to getting a vaccine


And that's wrong because?

Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 11:50 am to
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Additionally, if there are good treatments then people will be averse to getting a vaccine


This was probably based on the assumption that the vaccine would eradicate the virus. I don’t blame you for thinking it would do that. Until a recent definition change, you would’ve been correct.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24216 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:00 pm to
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The data does not support this to the point that even the covidians don't say it.


Currently, absolutely. A couple months ago? A year ago, or when the vaccine push started that's not true at all.

Look I agree that the vaccine mandates are terrible, but all these covidiots are looking at current data and comparing the past using hindsight and that's just ignorant. The fed government also is not capable of being fluid and quickly changing plans for the most part. That's not an excuse at all, but there are some reasons other than conspiracy theories.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24216 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:02 pm to
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Additionally, if there are good treatments then people will be averse to getting a vaccine


This was probably based on the assumption that the vaccine would eradicate the virus. I don’t blame you for thinking it would do that. Until a recent definition change, you would’ve been correct.


You shouldn't assume my beliefs, I'm staying as unbias as I possibly can and I'm fully against government vaccine mandates.

Just because the vaccine doesn't work as well as originally hoped, doesn't mean it doesn't work at all and there's no reason at all to get it.

There's a huge middle ground no one likes to discuss.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
61834 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:18 pm to
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Just because the vaccine doesn't work as well as originally hoped, doesn't mean it doesn't work at all and there's no reason at all to get it.



I completely agree with this. There’s just never going to be a justifiable reason for any free society to mandate it to it’s citizens or else face disenfranchisement. It’s still very much an issue of personal liberty, and always will be. Truth be known, there are very few Anti-Vaxers, as there are Anti-Mandaters. Let’s say it to be crystal clear. If you’re an American citizen, you should be all rights be an Anti-Mandater. It’s a birth-rite of every American to oppose vaccine mandates.


Anyone who recognizes that fact that the vaccines do NOT kill the virus, or even stop it from spreading, and only provide a net benefit to the person receiving the vaccine if anything, and yet continue to support mandating it to others who may or may not receive detrimental effects to the vaccine or my have a very faith based opposition to them, or simply aren’t sold on them, to them I take a very serious issue with as a fellow American. I do not think they even know what that means anymore, to be an American, certainly not in spirit or belief in what makes America special.


This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted by IceTiger
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:19 pm to
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because its the only way to possibly prevent a virus.

This is a clear lie
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Even an effective treatment is going to have a high death rate in the at risk groups

It's 1 in 1700 for at risk groups...is that high? Maybe?

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Additionally, if there are good treatments then people will be averse to getting a vaccine

People will do as they're told.

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this has absolutely been a failed political ploy

From their point of view, it's very successful

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its definitely BS that the fed gov has done more to help with treatments

Even worse they have actively fought treatments for 2 years...it's absolutely criminal
Posted by IceTiger
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Just because the vaccine doesn't work as well as originally hoped, doesn't mean it doesn't work at all and there's no reason at all to get it.


What if it doesn't work at all...people are dying at the same clip as the unvaxxed year
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24216 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:27 pm to
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Even an effective treatment is going to have a high death rate in the at risk groups

It's 1 in 1700 for at risk groups...is that high? Maybe?


Where is your data on this? Honestly curious
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74881 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:28 pm to
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Covid board


always complaining. just can’t help yourself.
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 12:33 pm to
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Where is your data on this? Honestly curious


Taiwan and Israel studies.

It mirrors several state American recovery numbers as well. If you include those that didn't report to the hospital.

Also at risk is anyone over 50 or with pre-existing conditions.
It's about 1 in 26,000 healthy under 50 die from it.
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
42895 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 4:07 pm to
How many people are dead due to vax symptoms? That's right you don't know because it's deliberately being withheld from us all.
Posted by BigWillyMetry
Member since Dec 2021
1548 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:45 pm to
I’m not sure Malone is credible. His bio seems weird and self proclaimed. But hey, maybe his take has some value.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 8:50 pm to
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Just because the vaccine doesn't work as well as originally hoped, doesn't mean it doesn't work at all and there's no reason at all to get it.

There's a huge middle ground no one likes to discuss.


If there were good treatments then would they have been able to get EUA? My understanding is no.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:08 pm to
Video in OP is blocked.
Any other links?
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 9:10 pm
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:13 pm to
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I’m not sure Malone is credible. His bio seems weird and self proclaimed. But hey, maybe his take has some value.


He says what we want to hear. Who cares if he is correct?
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11821 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:18 pm to
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I’m not sure Malone is credible. His bio seems weird and self proclaimed.


Malone goes into a lot more detail about what he thinks than you do on his credibility that is for sure.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:33 pm to
There are people who stand in line in class and don't skip. Then there are those that do. The same kids grow up and don't put the carts back in their place. They are the same ones that get 37 items and go to the 20 items or less line.
Posted by Lou
Modesto, CA
Member since Aug 2005
8796 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 9:40 pm to
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Video in OP is blocked
you can hear it on Spotify, no subscription required.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 1/3/22 at 10:53 pm to
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I'll say this much, the man is legit after hearing his credentials at the beginning of the podcast


The government is going after him and many doctors like him. 3 epidemiologists were put on kook status by fauci and his friends. This email chain should have sunk him, among other massive revelations. Those 3 are top in their field. Oxford, Stanford, Harvard

This is what Marxists do
This post was edited on 1/3/22 at 10:59 pm
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