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re: Jesuit (NOLA) sex abuse settlements kept quiet; 1 victim speaks out for first time

Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:13 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:13 am to
There are only two ways to do this study:

You go by statistics of pedeophiles caught in the Catholic Church and general pop

-we know this is extremely flawed because the Catholic Church is known for covering up cases. Once again this is known, not my opinion. Also, child abuse in general often goes in unaccounted for completely


You interview both group subsets and ask them if they are a pedophile

-do I need to explain why this is flawed?


I have seen the studies. They are not worth the paper they are printed on
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:14 am
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:16 am to
Yeah but muh studies.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:18 am to
I honestly feel like I am taking crazy pills when people point to the studies

The studies all revolve around “accusations of pedohilia in the Church vs general pop”

and I am like are we being serious? The whole discussion started because the Church is covering up abuse scandals, so how can one with a straight face say the accusation number holds any weight at all
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:26 am to
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There are only two ways to do this study:


Is that your expert opinion, Mr. scientist?

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You interview both group subsets and ask them if they are a pedophile


And this is one of your two?

Good God.

I'll stop, becuase I really don't want to defend the catholic church or even look like I am, but shite, man.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:28 am to
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I'll stop, becuase I really don't want to defend the catholic church or even look like I am, but shite, man.
You want me to post the studies?


THey all revolve around the two ways I describe. I want you just to describe how a "scientist" could perform the study any other logical way

The best study comes straight from data gathered by accusations. It is the John Jay study. And the study itself gives the disclaimer that these numbers are hard to pin down due to the secretive nature of the accusations
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:33 am
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:32 am to
I'm just wondering what makes you think way more priests are pedos than the proportion of the general population. Is it the news? Your undying trust in the general population?

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:33 am to
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I'm just wondering what makes you think way more priests are pedos than the proportion of the general population.
Common sense


If you were a pedophile, explain a better situation than the catholic church. You get free access to children, and a powerful organization willing to cover your crimes



It isnt the churchs fault it naturally lures pedophiles, their blame is the coverup
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:34 am
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34925 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:36 am to
Has Jesuit gone co-ed yet?


It’s about time they let boys into that fine establishment
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71224 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:38 am to
Teacher, coach, guidance counselor, janitor, employee of any business kids frequent, Congressman.

It's not exactly as easy to become a priest as it is a carnival ride operator.

Do you think the number of pedos in the general public according to any study is how many there are? You assume that side is more accurate than the other in your "do you like little kids" scientific questionnaire scenario.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111522 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:40 am to
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Do you think the number of pedos in the general public according to any study is how many there are?
No. It would be higher as well due to kids not reporting in general.
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Teacher, coach, guidance counselor, janitor, employee of any business kids frequent, Congressman.
Still dont get the unfiltered trust access to kids like a priest

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It's not exactly as easy to become a priest as it is a carnival ride operator.
We are talking percentages, not total numbers
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:41 am
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:43 am to
Some of those get way more unfiltered access than your average priest. Some even get more cover.

Priest, preacher, brother, Rabbi, is an average vocation for kid access with an above average barrier to entry.

eta:
This thread is about a janitor, for what it's worth to those who didn't read the article. At a school with more non-clergy with equal or more access to kids than those who are.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:46 am
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
33703 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:55 am to
Jesuit is awesome at keeping stuff covered up.. Suprised this didn’t get squashed..

I guess they didn’t pay that guy enough money...
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:03 am to
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Teacher, coach, guidance counselor, janitor, employee of any business kids frequent, Congressman. 



None of those occupants require celebacy. When a heterosexual man becomes a priest, it means he's sacrificing, and spending the rest of his life struggling against his natural biological drive. A lot of men rule it out for that very reason.

There's a whole other pool of candidates for whom lack of access to adult women isn't a problem at all...
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:05 am to
No it's just those northern Catholics that like to diddle kids
Posted by BARNEYSTINSON
Member since Oct 2011
801 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:10 am to
This is truly disheartening. Jesuit grad as well, and upset to hear about this.

I believe that what we are seeing today in the Catholic Church, teachers and students thing, and even the #metoo are coming to the forefront with the ease of access people to tell their story- social media. Majority of those involved seem to have one common thing- a position of authority or power. Even in this case the custodian was a former ball player. I want to see justice for those truly harmed, and yet still concerned with the ease to get justice with out a thorough burden of proof.

This particular case seemed to make sure the information was accurate and details were confirmed. Therefore this person was compensated for the atrocious actions taken upon him.
Posted by Cajunese
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7186 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:20 am to
Jesuit grad here as well.

When I was there, we never had any issues with priests or brothers come up except for an accuser who came out about Fr. Boudreaux molesting him 30 years prior. But this whole situation is sad to hear about. The pandora box within the Catholic Church has been opened, and it could possibly get worse as we find out more.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
27436 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:21 am to
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Fr. Boudreaux


Happened my sophomore year. There one day gone the next. And no one said a word. Weird shite.
Posted by Ba Ba Boooey
Northshore
Member since May 2010
4729 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:22 am to
Nah. They can go have sex with consenting adults instead they want the power over the children in their care. frick all of these pedophiles and the people that cover it up to allow it to continue for decades. Exactly the reason my daughter will not be going to catholic school
Posted by Cajunese
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7186 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:26 am to
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Happened my sophomore year. There one day gone the next. And no one said a word. Weird shite.


Same here. Class of 2007?
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
27436 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:28 am to
2006, maybe it was junior year then
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