re: JBE suggests broad COVID vaccine mandates after FDA approval

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but this "vaccine" is like those you have listed. polio has basically disappeared due to that vaccine. the shots for covid will NOT fully prevent future infections.

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Polio was isolated in 1909. COVID has not been isolated yet. I wonder why.

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What will be the reasoning for people not getting it once fda clears it? That was one of the reasons why people didn’t get it.

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One reason is that many people are already had it. Do we mandate the chicken pox vaccine to those who already had chicken pox? Also data shows that natural immunity is pretty damn good. It might be less that the MRNA vaccines though that is somewhat debatable; however, clearly provides more protection than J&J which IS an an acceptable vaccine. There also are tests to show immunity so if their are doubts then you could test to see what levels you have.

The biggest reason is just personal rights.

The vaccine clearly shows it gives great personal protection to the recipient. There is also clear data that this virus is still present in significant numbers even in high vaccination areas just that the symptoms are minor. What does that mean in terms of the future? If the fact that it is hanging around mean that eventually it will be able to evade vaccines.

Also we know we can only control (somewhat) what happens in the US. We know Delta originated in India and the new upcoming strains apparently originated in South/Central America. Nothing we can do can stop what others do. My point is thinking mandating a vaccine in the US will end this thing doesn’t seem to hold water UNLESS we decide to let’s say build a WALL around the US and not let anyone else in. We know that will not happen unless you are trying to get out of Cuba.

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the flu which in bad years can be just as deadly, or even more so, than Covid?

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the flu all but disappeared last year.... i wonder why.

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87 thinks it’s hilarious

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87 is just as much of a fricking hypocrite as the people he's talking about.

You're all about personal freedom unless it's something you disagree with. Then you're all for government intervention.

All I am saying is my neighbor’s boyfriend had covid a little over three months ago. He currently has zero antibodies in his system.

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TheFlyingTiger

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here is what i wrote in the other thread, maybe it will explain my position better

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here is my thing, i 100% support both sides.

want to take the vaccine...cool, your body, your choice

Dont want to take the vaccine...cool, your body, your choice

PRIVATE company requires it for work or to enter the property....cool, your personal property rights

PRIVATE company requires you not have it as terms of employment or to enter the property....cool, your personal property rights

but frick anyone and everyone that supports a government mandate. frick you, that means they can approve anything and mandate it.

VERY frickING REAL FUTURE CONSERQUENCES TO ANY GOVERNMENT MANDATE

im cool with each level of government mandating it to enter government owned buildings.

cool with it to attend school, as they do that now with the other vaccines

but the moment the government says everyone will take this or there will be consequences.....well frick you. we going to war and even though i am vaccinated....im siding with freedom.

just like the moment someone says they are for freedom yet gets pissed when their company requires the vaccine....make your choice, its their personal property rights.

but frick any government forced vaccination. I did that shite with the anthrax vaccine in the military. frick that shite!!!

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where does 87 draw the line. mandating federal employees to get it? mandating state employees to get it? pressuring schools to enforce students to get it? pressuring private companies to get it? mandating that the general public has to get it to participate in the free market?

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that free market doesnt sound so free.

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now you’re just being emotional. i asked you multiple specific questions. you can answer them or not, your feelings aren’t necessary in this debate.

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Not really. Everyone is a giant hypocrite that draws lines where they are ok or not ok for govt intrusion

There are maybe 0.00001% of this country that truly is about limited govt

Hell, the supposed party of small govt used to tell people who could and couldn’t be married and it was supported by those “small govt lovers”

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So you have never taken a single vaccine?

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Have you ever taken an mRNA vaccine before? No one has until now. I choose to wait until they debug this one and 2.0 comes out with info I can use to make long term decisions. I cannot make an informed decision on this one because no one knows the % chances of what long term effects may be, if any.

.03% chance of death is practically zero so why add unknown variables to the equation for so little gain? I am not in a risk group, my BMI is low enough to not be considered obese (still losing weight), I take D,B,Zinc and C every day, eat better now than I ever have in my life, do an hour of cardio 3x a week.

No reason to invite unknowns into a currently practically riskless situation.