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re: January 1, 2025: Multiple casualties on Bourbon Street after terrorist attack..

Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:44 pm to
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:44 pm to
I’m of the belief that the bollards wouldn’t have mattered if the opportunity of the sidewalk was available.
Posted by PurpleSingularity
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:55 pm to
I know nothing about Wendell Pierce, but dude nailed it…not sure why there is hatred towards him
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:57 pm to
My only issue is again it is hindsight.

People pointing out obvious stuff only because of what happened.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 6:57 pm to
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I read where the FBI said someone moved the cooler bourbon and St. Peter’s to bourbon and Orleans. They said that individual had nothing to do with it. I guess someone thought they were getting an ice chest of beer


That's what this video says as well. LINK

But using google maps, that does not seem to match up with any of the corners of Bourbon and St Peters. can anyone tell where clip 3 is being filmed from?
Posted by SWLA92
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:10 pm to
I think he meant why did wait til 3am and not midnight?
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:17 pm to
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I’m of the belief that the bollards wouldn’t have mattered if the opportunity of the sidewalk was available.


I’m of the opinion that if you are halfway competent securing the area that you can’t just hop the curb and be good to go


Dear lord, how do so many of you think that’s normal
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:23 pm to
Yeah, it's crazy how people are reaching so hard to defend the city leaders responsible for not blocking the street adequately.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 10:15 pm
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:23 pm to
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My only issue is again it is hindsight.


Is your argument that we can’t be mad about the security plan for nye unless we were posting beforehand?

If this was some obscure item sure… but we are seeing a lot of “who cares they left the door open he could’ve broken a window” or “how were we supposed to know someone would walk through the door.”


Also foresight was the city getting plenty of warnings and apparently not doing great on a security audit a few years back. Largely though I suspect most posters children could solve the sidewalk dilemma.
Posted by RummelTiger
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:37 pm to
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I think he meant why did wait til 3am and not midnight?


Ah…

Maybe he couldn’t get his shite together, maybe he was nervous and stalling, maybe he did it exactly when he wanted…he was a lunatic - the less we understood what was going through his mind, then that’s probably good for us.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:37 pm to
Yeah, it is everyone saying "do this and this wouldn't have happened"

It trivializes everything the guy did to radicalized in Houston, set up IEDs, burn the house down, equip himself (with legit or not guns)

We regulate gunpowder or we ban AirBnB is absurd. If we go back and put a bollard at random spots where the guy came through, problem solved.

Sorry, probably jaded by too many people in industry passing 100 different rules/regulation after an event in an effort to prevent the past event.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:39 pm to
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I’m of the belief that the bollards wouldn’t have mattered if the opportunity of the sidewalk was available.


Bollards aren’t just for the street
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 7:40 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:43 pm to
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Sorry, probably jaded by too many people in industry passing 100 different rules/regulation after an event in an effort to prevent the past event.


That’s how the world works. should we not learn from past failures and mistakes?

Look at Benghazi and the afghan withdrawal. Should we not learn from those utter failures?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:47 pm to
So quit building tall buildings?

Build up TSA is the right way to go?

Take off shoes for poor people flying?

Never open mail because of anthrax?

Wear a mask for covid?

I'm not belittling, but Bourbon has been under possibly more lax conditions for 4 nights and nothing has happened. There will be a parade downtown and uptown tomorrow and likely nothing will happen. There have been secondlines over the last week....nothing happened. We aren't putting bollards on every street before deciding to move on and live life.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 7:51 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:50 pm to
Who said any of that? That’s such a bullshite strawman. Objectively looking at this and making improvements in no way impacts your freedoms and there’s nothing wrong with learning from past failures.

Your mentality of if we do this they will just do this so we should do nothing is nonsense
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78409 posts
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:51 pm to
I'm just saying you are pushing to make sure this one single thing doesn't happen again. Like that is some great win.

No one will enter Canal down Bourbon on NYD 2025 again. WE GOT THEM!!
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 7:53 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:52 pm to
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I'm not belittling, but Bourbon has been under possibly more lax conditions for 4 nights and nothing has happened. There will be a parade downtown and uptown tomorrow and likely nothing will happen. There have been secondlines over the last week....nothing happened.


Just so we are clear. Someone breaks into your home while you’re away and steals your shite. Nothing happens the week after, the month after, etc. that means you change nothing to try to mitigate it from happening again? that’s certainly one way to live
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:54 pm to
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I'm just saying you are pushing to make sure this one single thing doesn't happen again. Like that is some great win. No one will enter Canal down Bourbon on NYE 2025 again. WE GOT THEM!!


Who said anything about winning anything? It should’ve already been done for numerous reasons, not just for terrorism. The fact there’s people against this because they think it means nothing is so bizarre. If it means nothing to you, why the frick do you care what the city does to harden its most popular destination?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78409 posts
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:54 pm to
So your house is impenetrable now? Hell no.

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 If it means nothing to you, why the frick do you care what the city does to harden its most popular destination


Do what you want. I have never walked onto Bourbon, into Times Square, into and NFL stadium, or got on a plane thinking "ain't no risk here"

Like I said, people are acting smart pointing out things that "should have been done" but none want to admit that doing those things doesn't really change the risk.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 7:57 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:56 pm to
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Bollards aren’t just for the street

Hence why I said IF the opportunity for sidewalks was still viable.

Pretty surprised they never opted for sidewalk ones seeing how wide those sidewalks are
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11788 posts
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:56 pm to
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So your house is impenetrable now? Hell no.


Again with the bullshite. I asked if you’d do nothing, I didn’t ask if you’d prevent every possible scenario. This bullshite has been argued over and over. No one is saying installing bollards or other traffic control is the total solution or prevents every threat. My God some of yall are fricking dense
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