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re: Jalopnik: No One In The U.S. Really Wants To Buy Electric Vehicles
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:44 am to dewster
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:44 am to dewster
Until I can recharge an EV full-size truck in less than 5 minutes and get 400 miles of range, I will continue to buy ICE. Its that simple.
Ground-breaking innovations are not supposed to make your life more inconvenient.
Ground-breaking innovations are not supposed to make your life more inconvenient.
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:44 am to Jcorye1
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Most people are just trying to survive. Pushing more expensive vehicles is contrary to that.
For sure. Plus I see working class people driving 90s Toyotas that they can work on themselves. Good luck with that on the EVs.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:46 am to LemmyLives
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Stop with the subsidies, the tax credits, the preferential treatment, the mandates on fleet composition, etc.
Make sure you apply this logic across the board to people driving GM bail out mobiles and ford DOE funded ecoboosts.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:47 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Until I can recharge an EV full-size truck in less than 5 minutes and get 400 miles of range
What problem are we solving again?
Now we've added thousands of pounds of weight to a vehicle to get the same user result, but we're tearing up roads faster, require beefier suspensions, the construction of more power generation plants, etc.
Really, what problem are we solving?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:49 am to Locoguan0
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The funny part is all of the immature man-children on here who wait until the last minute to fuel up. I don't let my car get below 1/3 of a tank. "What if there is no power from a storm!?!?" You go wait in line for an hour to fill up your gas cans. I'll go charge at a friend's house who has juice. Extreme circumstances do not prove an argument.
I think it’s mostly an excuse to stop and grab a can of dip, a 68oz Brando and a corn dog. That way they can clock some “windshield” time and stick it to the man. Probably take a dump on the clock too.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:50 am to LemmyLives
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what problem are we solving?
Efficiency of fuel use, air quality, noise pollution.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:56 am to dewster
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Disclaimer is that Tesla is doing very well.
Tesla is seen as a premium brand, a luxury symbol, and is the most well established and recognized in the sector. Other automakers will struggle to errode market share as there really isn't enough EV demand despite what the media purports.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:59 am to josh336
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and no one here probably wants to hear it, but that small price difference is made up in the long run, saving on not having to deal with oil changes, gas, alot of routine maintenance you dont have to do with electric
Until you have to replace that 20k dollar battery.
And it’s been proven the added electricity costs to charge it don’t much offset gas
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:05 am to billjamin
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think plug in hybrids, like EVs needs the right use case. I don’t drive around town much and my GX gets used exclusively for road trips and ranch driving. I want to be able to cruise around and stealth hunt pigs. My wife on the other hand only does around town driving and her model 3 is perfect. It’s never charged anywhere but our house. It’s all what you need really.
Which is fine I’m not against free market solutions and people buying them who want them.
I’m against the govt trying to forcefully phase out ICE when it’s not practical for many. I drive hundreds of miles a day on rural back roads and pull a lot of trailers and such. EV is not useful to me
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:07 am to deltaland
If you want to buy a car from a company that hasn’t had govt intervention you’ll need to build one from scratch.
The selective outrage displayed in EV threads is bizarre.
The selective outrage displayed in EV threads is bizarre.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:13 am to dewster
Gasoline prices are too low to make an EV attractive.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:14 am to josh336
quote:Not exactly. Many electric vehicles have transmission or gear oil that does need regular servicing. While this servicing is longer than the typical ICE or Hybrid Oil change, it still is a maintenance item that is typically done at 12k (break-in) and then 50K intervals after that depending on driving habits. They also need much more routine servicing of the cooling systems as the coolant they use breaks down quicker than that of an ICE, and massive lithium batteries overheating is not good at all, remember the Samsung batteries? Now multiple that size by 1,000. They also require much more regular brake system tune-ups due to their higher weight and the regenerative braking systems. Tack on all of that most of these systems are sealed and only worked on by the manufacturer. It is like an ICE vehicle only being able to go to the dealership, so no DIY or tune-up place so while less frequent the tune-ups are significantly higher in price, and may require much more than a 45 minute wait with the limited number of techs spread out over the dealerships or centers capable of doing the work. That's not even mentioning the battery costs, which while we hear 200K + miles, that's probably controlled environment, just like the 400 mile range.
alot of routine maintenance you dont have to do with electric
All that said, EV's have their place, and if you enjoy it, then awesome. They are not perfect, far from it, and still have maintenance costs that though maybe less frequent, will cost more per instance.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:21 am to AwesomeSauce
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Many electric vehicles have transmission or gear oil that does need regular servicing.
The EV’s I know of don’t have a transmission. They have an electric motor tied directly to axle shaft. Some of them have two motors per axle.
You might be thinking of PHEV’s that have an accessory ICE motor like the older Volt, the new Prius Prime, etc.
The concern for me with EV’s is battery longevity. It’s a lot easier to handle the battery replacement for a Prius than the massive, elaborate batteries in earlier Tesla’s. The EV battery replacements for those earlier EV’s are so costly that they can mechanically total the car. Those aren’t really maintenance items though. Those are breakdowns. It shouldn’t happen to all of them for a long time. But eventually that is what will send those cars to the junkyard as they get old enough.
Overall EV’s are not maintenance free, but they are far more simple than modern ICE’s. Our friends in the federal government have pushed so many intense regulations on emissions that gas and Diesel powertrains are far more complex than they need to be.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:21 am to AwesomeSauce
I hope no one believe they are maintenance free.
They are significantly cheaper to operate than ICE vehicles. And I completely disagree with your point about the brake service. I can’t remember the last time I touched the brake pedal on my wife’s model 3. I wouldn’t want to be in the brake pad business with regen cars hitting the road in high quantity.
They are significantly cheaper to operate than ICE vehicles. And I completely disagree with your point about the brake service. I can’t remember the last time I touched the brake pedal on my wife’s model 3. I wouldn’t want to be in the brake pad business with regen cars hitting the road in high quantity.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:27 am to billjamin
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A model 3 and BMW 3 series are within a couple hundred pounds of each other. It’s a nothing burger.
Comparing two porkers? Disingenuous as usual. Camry in its heaviest optioned form weighs 500lbs less than the lightest Model 3. Pretty much all mid-size ICE sedans are considerably lighter than EV's of the same class. As consumers demand more range they will only get heavier as there is little EV makers can do but pack in more battery cells. Get an extra 50 to 100 miles of range out of an EV costs more and adds a hundred or more pounds in weight, for an ICE vehicle it's barely a few pounds of sheet metal or plastic and costs pennies. Some mid-size sedans have 600+ miles of range now, some are approaching 700 miles.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:30 am to dewster
They use a gear box which for most use a single gear. This gear box is in fact a transmission converting the electric motors power to the wheels. So while not a traditional multi-gear or CVT transmission, it is in fact a geared box converting the high rev electric power to the axle. There is also one per motor as opposed to a traditional single gear box in an ICE. These gear boxes require oil (gear or transmission depending on the model) that does need regular servicing.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:31 am to Korkstand
tesla motor INPUT, aka the voltage required to make the motor run. It's not a 12 volt battery
it's also not a lead acid battery
the supercharger for teslas is 480 VDC
you have no idea what you are talking about
it's also not a lead acid battery
the supercharger for teslas is 480 VDC
you have no idea what you are talking about
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:32 am to Clames
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Comparing two porkers? Disingenuous as usual.
It’s comparing two cars in similar classes. Disingenuous is comparing a luxury car that drives itself to a Toyota that probably has 2011 tech.
Your weight concern is noted and I hope you learn these F250 baws while your at it.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:36 am to dewster
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Our friends in the federal government have pushed so many intense regulations on emissions that gas and Diesel powertrains are far more complex than they need to be.
Wait, government intervention has unintended consequences? You don't say.
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billjamin
Noise pollution? You must be joking, or you must ride around in a 73 Chevy.
And please explain how much fuel (including coal and natural gas to produce electricity) you save by driving a 5,390 pound Tesla Model X versus a 3,340 pound Camry.
Oh wait, here comes the bullshite call for "renewables." Color me shocked. Have 50% of our national power grid on nuclear, or go pimp your feel good story in India and China.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:37 am to TDTOM
charging a tesla on a 110vac plugin outlet
given optimum conditions, plugging your tesla into a 110vac 20 amp outlet will give you a massive 7 miles per hour of charge
as per tesla
that goes down significantly at outdoor temps beyond optimum conditions
given optimum conditions, plugging your tesla into a 110vac 20 amp outlet will give you a massive 7 miles per hour of charge
as per tesla
that goes down significantly at outdoor temps beyond optimum conditions
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