re: Italy still surging, record deaths - 969

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The US is 46th in the world with a LE of 79.11 years compared to Italy's 84.01. A lot of that is certainly weight but their healthcare can't be "poor".

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Healthcare is just a small portion of the reasons that people live to be older. People live to be 100 in a lot of places with poor or almost non existent healthcare.

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High percentage of Chinese immigrant workers so infection initiated from many people in many parts of the country. Many paths to initial spread.

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66,000 Chinese nationals were working in Milan's garment area. They were living in close quarters and did not go seek medical attention right away.

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I understand what your trying to say. Still a high arse number compared to every other country..

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Not really.

Look at it this way. Where are the death rates universally high? At areas where the infection rates are so high that hospitals are failing to be able to provide adequate care.

That isn't equal everywhere; in Italy, if you live in the north, you'll have a motherhumper of a time trying to find a hospital bed. If you live in Sicily, its not quite as bad. In the US, if you get sick in Arkansas, you'll have a hospital bed without much strain; if you get sick in NYC right now, you are totally screwed.

The entire point of curve flattening is the same as traffic control-- you keep everything from turning into a parking lot where the flow of people in and out of your health care system grinds to a halt, until they're sent to a mortuary.

Italy's healthcare system is socialized. If they have a 35 year old and a 70 year old in the same hospital who need a ventilator, and they only have one available, guess who's getting it 100% of the time?

Meanwhile, in the US, you're still treated based on your healthcare premiums. Meaning that in the the same situation as Italy, the 70 year old is more likely to receive the ventilator.

Therein lies one of Italy's biggest problems.

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Meanwhile, in the US, you're still treated based on your healthcare premiums. Meaning that in the the same situation as Italy, the 70 year old is more likely to receive the ventilator.

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What? No you're not. There is no ER doctor or ICU doc looking at your insurance card at any point in your stay, let alone while making management decisions. GTFO with that BS.

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Deaths is straightforward.

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Not really. They aren’t counting deaths that happen at home.

Dude hospitals in America have already drawn up the same triage protocols. If you have mega mega money you could possibly find away around this. Otherwise you're SOL.

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Dude hospitals in America have already drawn up the same triage protocols. If you have mega mega money you could possibly find away around this. Otherwise you're SOL.

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It's not triage protocol for Italy. It's the basic function of their healthcare system.

You people screaming asking why it's so bad in Italy have been told why. From day 1, the elderly and sick have been 2nd fiddle to the young and healthy.

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So the USA choosing to save a 70 year old who would be almost certainly doomed v 35 year old who has a real chance to live just bc the 70 year old has better insurance....that somehow makes the US system better in your eyes?

Jesus Christ

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Depends on how you look at it. Does the 70 year old who has payed for better treatment for the past two decades deserve it? Or do they deserve to be told that it's too bad they're so old and that the treatment will go to someone younger because everyone receives the same level of coverage from the government?