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re: Italy numbers vs USA numbers at same time frame in dealing with the virus

Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:06 pm to
Posted by phunkatron
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:06 pm to
Italy has a a terrible healthcare system. People go to hospitals for almost everything.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:21 pm to
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The majority of them relied on public transportation and lived in more clustered communities that interacted with each other more.
that is irrelevant. There is a much high percentage of Chinese workers in and around Italy.

China's Belt and Road plan
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3236 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 2:22 pm to
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Lombardy is a lot like Mississippi or north Louisiana. It's not like Rome where everyone is on top of each other


^^^^Hasn’t been to Milan!
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:35 pm to
Not to tag on your thread but the Johns Hopkins tracker says 300+ dead
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
6694 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:44 pm to
307 dead. Follow along here. Constantly being updated.


LINK
Posted by DomincDecoco
of no fixed abode
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:23 pm to
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Because YNWA would absolutely sacrifice you, your family, and most other individuals for political purposes, such as getting Trump out of office.



There.



It.




Is.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28326 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:26 pm to
Italy seems small and crowded compared to the US.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5703 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:04 pm to
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Thats not an appropriate way to compare data. You need to normalize to a certain infection point (say the day when the countries each reached 150 infections) and then plot the rates of infection starting from there. If you do that, you will see that our rate of infection from patient 150 and forward matches Italy's almost identically and is even starting to exceed.


Is that rate of actual infection or exposure, illness onset, or date confirmed by testing? And were daily test quantities at same levels? And were those using same timing?

For test quantities CDC had switched to date they received specimen from date specimen taken from patient when they were confirming all cases before the 14th which didn't make sense to me for something published (more internal on how quickly they were reviewed). I did like the CDC trying to track by illness onset especially with so many existing cases being tested a week or 2 after onset. WHO just reports net changes of totals and for US that had meant no changes on weekends since CDC wasn't updating confirmed case totals on weekends. It also meant it was completely based on when tests confirmed by CDC and not when patient tested or when illness & symptoms started for newly confirmed cases.

Collin County's 1 death so far wasn't tested until he died while already in hospital for existing conditions (not sure if they decided if existing or virus killed him), and he wasn't part of their counts until he was tested after he died. It seems likely he was sick for a while, but i have wondered if they will figure out when or treat as both newly infected/illness onset and death at exact same time or death before confirmed test (though i think it was same day and reported same day). How reports handle dates of this stuff including total daily tests done wont matter as much looking back afterwards but right back & during testing ramp up it can affect comparisons.

I keep meaning to looking at Hopkins on a computer to see if they offer additional ways to sort all their data.
Posted by CaptainJ47
Gonzales
Member since Nov 2007
7342 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:17 pm to
The per capita is amazing. Last check Italy was like 590 per million and the US was at about 60
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36900 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 8:17 pm to
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If so than the comparison is valid


Ugh
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29191 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:16 pm to
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wailing


Don’t use words you don’t understand.
And apparently you can’t answer the question
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
50249 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 10:47 pm to
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One can probably get a villa in Positano for pretty cheap when CV is all said in done.

If you're Italian, sure.

If you're European, yes, with obstacles to navigate.

Non European Union, get out the cash, and foster thick pockets, but can be done.



This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 10:49 pm
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
6694 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:26 pm to
USA
340 Deaths
26,747 infected 12am EST 3/2220

Italy Infections at same time frame. 10,149
Deaths. 631
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 11:28 pm
Posted by burdman
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
20685 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:28 pm to
So Italy had half the cases but double the deaths. That’s interesting.
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3635 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 11:39 pm to
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We are now 2nd in the world in test per capita and will be first in a few days


No we aren’t and no we won’t be
Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4079 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:17 am to
We still are having more deaths than I would like to see. But thank God we are not trending towards Italy. I think the US will bounce back stronger from this.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
22526 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:21 am to
As already pointed out to you, we also have 5x the population
Posted by YipSkiddlyDooo
Member since Apr 2013
3635 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:58 am to
To the 2 idiots who downvoted my last post. We are nowhere near top of tests administered per capita



We aren’t even top 2 in total tests and we are much bigger than those who have tested more than we have. As well as those who have tested less.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95903 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:00 am to



This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 1:03 am
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:09 am to
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US took preventative steps much sooner


That is my thought too. Italy got hit hard and was unprepared and it has savaged their health care system. We have taken measures to slow down the spread for almost two weeks now. I’m sure hundreds of thousands of Americans will get sick but hopefully not all at the same time
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