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re: Italy ISS releases report on Covid death total to reflect “from” instead of “with”

Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:02 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

What’s my “cause” exactly?
Not sure exactly. Why don't you tell me your reason for lying about this?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68467 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:04 pm to
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Such dishonesty does nothing for your "cause". This is just yet another person subtracting out the co-morbidities from the stats and reporting what's left. We've known this from the very beginning.



Just take the L. This virus isn’t as deadly as you want it to be. Be thankful instead of being a little count about it.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68446 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:06 pm to
Of course it’s with

Especially with Italy’s geriatric population, there’s just too many comorbidities that in conjunction with Covid had resulted in these deaths
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68446 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:07 pm to
And that’s how it should be
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Just take the L. This virus isn’t as deadly as you want it to be. Be thankful instead of being a little count about it.
Nothing I have ever said could be construed as me "wanting" it to be deadly. I don't know whether it's malice or stupidity that makes people say shite like that, but it's false either way.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84973 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Not sure exactly.
You mentioned a "cause." So you must have been assuming something...

ETA: Is the title now more to your liking? What would you like it to say?
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
47720 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:10 pm to
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Posted by DonaldPump
Palm Beach
Member since Oct 2021
154 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:10 pm to
If Trump wasn’t in office, we would have no restrictions. This was the democrats opportunity to blow this out of proportion and get him out of office. Otherwise he would have cruised to a second term
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:11 pm to
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You mentioned a "cause." So you must have been assuming something...
When someone misleads others as overtly as you are doing here, surely there is a reason for it, yes?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84973 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:12 pm to
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This was the democrats opportunity to blow this out of proportion and get him out of office. Otherwise he would have cruised to a second term
And it's been a huge backfire. The ran so hard on the fear of spread that they overreacted and closed schools and killed the economy. Well done, dems.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84973 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:13 pm to
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When someone misleads others as overtly as you are doing here, surely there is a reason for it, yes?
I linked the story. Others have quoted it. I can put the whole thing in the OP if it suits you. I've already edited the title to remove "revise." What more do you want?
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96007 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:15 pm to
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It is, however, just more evidence that healthy people never should have had restrictions put on them.
Regardless of your stance on restrictions, in the case of communicable diseases your statement does not follow.



Of course it follows.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Maybe China isn't lying.

Wouldn't that be some shite if/when its found out that the US planted this in China via Fauci to steal the election.
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
5355 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:18 pm to
"According to the ISS, 65.8% of Italians who are no longer there after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension, that is, they had high blood pressure. 23.5% were also demented, 29.3% added some diabetes to their ailments, 24.8% also atrial fibrillation. And that's not all: 17.4% already had sick lungs, 16.3% had had cancer in the last 5 years; 15.7% suffered from heart failure,28% had ischemic heart disease, 24.8% suffered from atrial fibrillation, more than one in ten were also obese, more than one in ten had had a stroke, and still others, albeit in a smaller percentage, had serious problems liver, dialysis and autoimmune diseases."

Sounds like Louisiana. Glad y'all feel safe. I love how the folks on TD don't have underlying conditions. Simply amazing. What a laugh. Go to one LSU tailgating scene and that thought is out of the window.



Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:24 pm to
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I can put the whole thing in the OP if it suits you. I've already edited the title to remove "revise." What more do you want?
Just honesty.

Your title still implies that death totals due to covid were officially revised to subtract co-morbidities. As far as I can tell, that is not true. It appears that they simply updated the statistics for the last few months, and the author of the article you've linked took the liberty of subtracting out the co-morbs to spin the report like people have been doing for a long time. The author also makes the claim that covid killed fewer than the flu. Comparing covid deaths minus co-morbs to flu deaths which includes co-morbs is obviously bunk. But let's just roll with that narrative, right? Also high blood pressure was by far the biggest co-morb that was subtracted from the stats. Do you think it is at all honest to imply that all those people with both high blood pressure and covid actually died of the fricking high blood pressure? Laughable.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:27 pm to
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quote:

quote:

It is, however, just more evidence that healthy people never should have had restrictions put on them.

Regardless of your stance on restrictions, in the case of communicable diseases your statement does not follow.
Of course it follows.
Sure if you ignore the communicable part as so many do.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
62868 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:27 pm to
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Such dishonesty does nothing for your "cause".

This is just yet another person subtracting out the co-morbidities from the stats and reporting what's left. We've known this from the very beginning.


It's worse to admit we've known this from the beginning given all the bullshite that has happened. The world would be in so much better shape right now based on the low number you say is a lie, as opposed to the high number that is certainly a lie.

Good luck arguing that your lie is better than the other lie based on the above indisputable fact regarding current global conditions.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96007 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:28 pm to
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Sure if you ignore the communicable part as so many do.



After 20 months if you can't see by now that not one restriction did a lick of good in slowing the spread and only harmed the economy, I can't help you.
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
65491 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:31 pm to
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ell_13



bringing the receipts
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
14492 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 12:32 pm to
There were 500,000+ excess (above estimates) deaths in the US in 2020, and the excess death by date chart lines up closely with the Covid spikes.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 12:33 pm
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