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re: It boggles my mind how people scared to death of the virus
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:23 am to Salmon
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:23 am to Salmon
quote:
don't know why you keep asking me these loaded "gotcha" questions
I didn't know that was a loaded "gotcha" question.
quote:
simply asked if handwashing was the #1 thing to help stop the spread of COVID as the main act of transmission from human to human is still up for debate as far as I have read
I didn't gather this from your original post. It does help. There is no "#1 way" to stop the spread other than becoming a hermit.
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Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:24 am to Korkstand
quote:If I dont touch my face, I have little chance to spread any virus particles on my hands, if increase the likelihood I touch my in increases those chances
If I spit in your mouth, there's a good chance you're going to get whatever I got. If I sneeze in your direction and you get sprayed, still a good chance you get sick, but less than the prior example. If I exhale in your vicinity, still a chance but less than the prior. Are you suggesting that covering my face while I exhale in your face cannot possibly reduce the chance further? Or even increase the chance?
If someone sneezes, I am around those virus particles for the time of the sneeze. If someone sneezes, and those virus particles attach to my mask, I carry that shite around
Yes, masks help the spread of particles. But you refuse to see the real world application of what else masks do as it relates to virus transmission
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:26 am to Korkstand
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Korkstand
As i stated before, other than PROPER wearing of N95 or greater masks, there is no evidence that masks have stopped or slowed the spread. So why do we continue to wear them other than to make nervous nelly's feel better. And if this is the reasoning behind doing so, what else can we impose on the masses if it makes a minority of hypochondriacs feel better?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:27 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:
The summer spike took ~2 months to happen after reopening began.
There is a clear seasonal effect that has nothing to do with lockdowns.
Virus spread is a momentum thing, for lack of a better word. Behavioral changes take a while to impact the numbers.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:30 am to slackster
quote:Bingo
Behavioral changes
This is all that helps the spread
They could lockdown everything, but if people still had parties, went to families houses etc etc, it would continue to spread
They could lockdown nothing, but if people did not have personal gatherings the spread would be minimal. The science even admits this, yet they continue to lockdown business. Anyone saying they agree is denying science, and it 100% for pissing away everything America is for
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:33 am to BugAC
quote:Let me start by saying that I am not, have not ever, and will not ever support lockdowns. I just don't think all that many transmissions happen out in day to day public life. I think that masks and extra precautions in schools are a good idea, and the same goes for office workplaces. But there just aren't that many close interactions when you go to the store or whatever.
Compare Florida's CV cases and lethality vs. the rest of the country. What do you see? I would think, if Florida is completely open, which it is, that they would have an abnormally high case load compared to the rest of the country. I haven't heard that from any news sources, you?
So as for Florida, I believe they are taking a lot of the same precautions in schools and businesses as the rest of the country, so I wouldn't really expect different levels of lockdowns state to state to have much impact. There are plenty other factors at play.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:34 am to slackster
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Virus spread is a momentum thing, for lack of a better word. Behavioral changes take a while to impact the numbers.
Hmmm...it's pretty damned interesting that all those people in all those states, with varying mitigation measures, from region to region (this can be expanded to other countries as well) all chose to change their behaviors at the exact same time, ain't it?
Who knew people were so united? I surely didn't believe we were this organized.
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:35 am to LCA131
quote:And you would be justified!
There's a better chance I put a pop knot on your head.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:38 am to lsupride87
quote:You just gonna ignore the fact that whatever attaches to your mask would otherwise be attached directly to your face? Or inside your lungs?
If someone sneezes, I am around those virus particles for the time of the sneeze. If someone sneezes, and those virus particles attach to my mask, I carry that shite around
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:39 am to Korkstand
quote:
You just gonna ignore the fact that whatever attaches to your mask would otherwise be attached directly to your face? Or inside your lungs?
Now cloth masks protect the wearer?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:39 am to Korkstand
quote:So you are going to ignore the fact having someones spit being lodged on the mask that sits over your mouth isnt worse than passing by that spit for a single moment?
You just gonna ignore the fact that whatever attaches to your mask would otherwise be attached directly to your face? Or inside your lungs?
You refuse to note all the negative real world applications of mask. slackster has pointed it out as well and you simply bury your head
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:41 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:41 am to lsupride87
quote:
So you are going to ignore the fact having someones spit being lodged on the mask that sits over your mouth isnt worse than passing by that spit for a single moment?
but what if both of y'all were wearing a mask at the time of the sneeze?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:44 am to The Boat
quote:I don't believe that I or anyone else has said they don't. Much more effective at protecting others from the wearer, but the wearer does gain some protection.
Now cloth masks protect the wearer?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:44 am to BugAC
New England Journal of Medicine
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As SARS-CoV-2 continues its global spread, it’s possible that one of the pillars of Covid-19 pandemic control — universal facial masking — might help reduce the severity of disease and ensure that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic
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Epidemiologic investigations conducted around the world — especially in Asian countries that became accustomed to population-wide masking during the 2003 SARS pandemic — have suggested that there is a strong relationship between public masking and pandemic control.
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Recent virologic, epidemiologic, and ecologic data have led to the hypothesis that facial masking may also reduce the severity of disease among people who do become infected.3 This possibility is consistent with a long-standing theory of viral pathogenesis, which holds that the severity of disease is proportionate to the viral inoculum received
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:45 am to Korkstand
Not sure why we are attributing sneezing to Coronavirus.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:45 am to Korkstand
quote:LINK
Abstract
We use the synthetic control method to analyze the effect of face masks on the spread of COVID-19 in Germany. Our identification approach exploits regional variation in the point in time when wearing of face masks became mandatory in public transport and shops. Depending on the region we consider, we find that face masks reduced the number of newly registered severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infections between 15% and 75% over a period of 20 days after their mandatory introduction. Assessing the credibility of the various estimates, we conclude that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 47%.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:47 am to Norbert
quote:
Recent virologic, epidemiologic, and ecologic data
Haven't read your link yet, but did look at the citations. Not a one is from before 2020.
Again...goes back to what I said earlier about how the research before this year didn't paint the picture they are painting now.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:47 am to Salmon
quote:You are still going to get virus particles, as a cloth mask does not stop the sneeze completely
but what if both of y'all were wearing a mask at the time of the sneeze?
However, this is a situation in which masks do help. I am not saying they dont, so nice loaded question. I am saying in the real world application, there are as many negatives as positives:
Increased face toughing, lingering virus particles on the mask, etc
This doesnt even account for the fact the masks carry other bacteria besides just covid, which can still lead to sickness and possible hospital visits
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:48 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:They dont want to listen
Haven't read your link yet, but did look at the citations. Not a one is from before 2020.
Again...goes back to what I said earlier about how the research before this year didn't paint the picture they are painting now.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:48 am to lsupride87
quote:
However, this is a situation in which masks do help. I am not saying they dont, so nice loaded question. I am saying in the real world application, there are as many negatives as positives:
we are in agreement I'll refer you to my post on page 4 of this thread
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