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re: It boggles my mind how people scared to death of the virus
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:46 am to Korkstand
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:46 am to Korkstand
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Korkstand
What evidence do you have that states masks work? If the reintroduction of lockdown policies have told us anything, it's that masks, social distancing, and shutting down small businesses does NOTHING to stop Coronavirus. So why are we still doing it?
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Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:49 am to lsupride87
There's a huge fricking difference between recognizing that protecting the eyes increases protection, and trying to argue that respiratory protection is worthless if you don't also protect the eyes like OP is trying to do.
You understand that, right?
You understand that, right?
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:50 am to BugAC
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What evidence do you have that states masks work? If the reintroduction of lockdown policies have told us anything, it's that masks, social distancing, and shutting down small businesses does NOTHING to stop Coronavirus. So why are we still doing it?
Clearly the lockdowns slow down the spread, but it obviously doesn’t stop it, and once you’re re-opened, it’s right back to spreading again.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:52 am to slackster
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Clearly the lockdowns slow down the spread,
How does it "clearly" slow down the spread?
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but it obviously doesn’t stop it, and once you’re re-opened, it’s right back to spreading again.
So i guess the answer is, lockdowns forever? Unless you're in government, of course.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:54 am to BugAC
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How does it "clearly" slow down the spread?
less human movement/interaction is going to slow the spread
seems like common sense
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So i guess the answer is, lockdowns forever? Unless you're in government, of course.
I doubt this is what slack was arguing here
I don't think a single person in this thread (or on this board really) has argued for further lockdowns
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:54 am to slackster
quote:I honestly dont think thats true
Clearly the lockdowns slow down the spread
I think peoples fear helped stop the spread. Private gatherings is leading the spread, and the only thing that stops that is peoples own choices. Restaurants, workplace, etc, all the things they locked down, are minimal to the spread
Even "science" admits that now, but they order more lockdowns for the sake of "doing something"
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:55 am to slackster
Masks are the perfect political solution. As in, they're hardly a solution at all, but politically it looks good. There's a common sense notion to the general public that covering your mouth and nose will deny entry to a respiratory virus leaving only the "crackpots" to argue the efficaciousness of masks.
If the spread accelerates, the politician can blame and scold the populace for not following the mandate. If the spread trends downwards as it naturally exhausts possible hosts, the politician can boast that the approach was a success.
If the spread accelerates, the politician can blame and scold the populace for not following the mandate. If the spread trends downwards as it naturally exhausts possible hosts, the politician can boast that the approach was a success.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:56 am to Korkstand
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this just does not change my life in the slightest.
Ah, so now we have a working definition of 'life altering'. Good to know that the only life altering things in the universe are things that Korkstand deems so.
The Spanish Flu was just 100 years ago. H1N1 was far more recent. No national mask mandates for either.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:57 am to BugAC
quote:Literally everything that we know about disease transmission and physics tells us that they offer some degree of protection. At the very least they reduce the change of spreading from a person who is contagious (and may not know it).
What evidence do you have that states masks work?
Nobody is saying that they offer perfect protection, far from it. But like washing your hands, covering your mouth when you sneeze/cough, and just generally keeping your body fluids and germs contained to yourself, we're all just a bit better off.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 9:58 am to Korkstand
quote:Then why havent those things been mandated as well?
But like washing your hands, covering your mouth when you sneeze/cough,
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:00 am to lsupride87
I'm trying to envision stores having hand wash stations like we had in elementary school at the entrance 
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:01 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:01 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:How's your reading comprehension? I said that the definition is obviously subjective a few posts back, so I don't see the point in arguing over it. Yet you keep on.
Ah, so now we have a working definition of 'life altering'. Good to know that the only life altering things in the universe are things that Korkstand deems so.
quote:There are no national mandates for covid, either, it's state by state (or city by city). Just like for spanish flu 100 years ago.
The Spanish Flu was just 100 years ago. H1N1 was far more recent. No national mask mandates for either.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:02 am to Salmon
quote:My point stands
I'm trying to envision stores having hand wash stations like we had in elementary school at the entrance
Handwashign is 100% the best defense against this virus and all viruses. Yet, that hasnt been mandated
You know why? There is no "show" for handwashing. There is no "signal" of "doing something" like you get with masks
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:02 am to BugAC
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How does it "clearly" slow down the spread?
Look at the daily cases in LA - they slow down after lock downs and pick up after reopening. Pretty straight forward.
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o i guess the answer is, lockdowns forever? Unless you're in government, of course.
Not at all. My opinion has always been to open fully. People should be allowed to decide if they want to leave home.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:04 am to lsupride87
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Handwashign is 100% the best defense against this virus and all viruses.
is it? serious question
I thought there has been some debate about how long COVID survives on surfaces and in airspace
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You know why? There is no "show" for handwashing. There is no "signal" of "doing something" like you get with masks
of course
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:04 am to Salmon
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less human movement/interaction is going to slow the spread
seems like common sense
Yet it hasn't.
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I doubt this is what slack was arguing here
I don't think a single person in this thread (or on this board really) has argued for further lockdowns
If the only way to "stop the spread" is for lockdowns, then that is the only option. Because masks aren't doing shite.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:05 am to Korkstand
quote:Interesting you bring that up
Just like for spanish flu 100 years ago.
San Fran was one of only 7 cities that had a mask mandate for Spanish flu
It was also one of the hardest hit areas in the entire country, with 30 in every 1,000 residents dying. Science!
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:05 am to Salmon
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is it? serious question
Handwashing and good hygiene is basic health and sanitation 101. Regardless of the virus/disease, proper hygiene prevents disease.
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:05 am to TheOtherSide
quote:Mask compliance is well over 90% in most areas.
If everyone wears a mask, then...
there should not be any droplets in the air to reach the eyes.
COVID is still going through a surge.
Masks don't work against aerosolized virus particles that hang in the air. Aerosolized particles are orders of magnitude smaller than the fibers on your cloth masks, not even counting the gaps where the mask doesn't fit the contours of your face. Its like throwing a grain of sand at a chain link fence and expecting the fence to stop it.
ETA: Droplets fall to the ground within seconds. Unless you are within 3' of someone coughing, droplets aren't much of a concern.
This post was edited on 12/4/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/4/20 at 10:05 am to Korkstand
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Literally everything that we know about disease transmission and physics tells us that they offer some degree of protection. At the very least they reduce the change of spreading from a person who is contagious (and may not know it).
The problem with masks is that they make perfect sense on paper (covering your mouth/nose should slow transmission of things coming from your mouth/nose), but zero sense in practice. Studies have shown that to be the case.
If someone thinks masks work, I don’t blame them, because the logic says they should.
If someone thinks masks are useless, I don’t blame them, because the real world says they’re correct.
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