re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

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Looking forward to NYU Law School walking this statement back.

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And here's the NYU walk back I was looking forward to.

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Check out the wildfire in Argentina, baw.

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Ok I will check it out


If we don't get any rain around here ...

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Burnt,

I have never been to the Middle East, I was supposed to go 3 times in my life, all got cancelled. So I have no clue what it’s really like there.

So asking you and any one with actual combat experience in Middle East that may compare with this upcoming operation a few questions about the upcoming ground excursion, if that’s ok.

It’s my understanding that we have not ask for any restraint or any restrictions upon Israel at all, so the gloves are off.

That said, Limiting civilian casualties as much is possible is obviously in Israel’s best interest but it’s up to them. Hamas and their allies want as many dead children as they can get to blast all over the airways. To complicate matters, I think half the population of the Gaza Strip is children.

Hamas has been planning, digging tunnels, storing weapons and creating a “meat grinder” for over a decade. God only knows what weapons the Russians and Iranians have given them. They obviously baited the IDF into this move and It reeks of a bloody trap to kill as many Jews as possible, make the army look weak to the Arab world and force them into killing tons of innocents and lose the moral upper hand.

The only way this works, in my opinion, (from the comfort of my coach obviously), is to force the entire civilian population to Egypt to refugee camps, eliminate Hamas in the Gaza strip, blow up all the tunnels and their ammo dumps, block by block, and then to create secure fortifications and security checkpoints and towers all over etc. After all that is done, which I assume will take a year or more allow the civilians back into the area.

Is it possible to tell the civilian population to leave and section off the Gaza in areas to do this?

If I am completely wrong with this, what is your assessment?

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I'm not sure why your question was met with downvotes. It seems to be a fair question to me.

Israel doesn't compare to Iraq or Afghanistan. Those two were active wars/war zones that developed into insurgencies. Israel is a much more complex situation.

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It’s my understanding that we have not ask for any restraint or any restrictions upon Israel at all, so the gloves are off.

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There are always "calls for restraint" and I have no doubt we've said the same. Just because we SAY it doesn't necessary mean we haven't quietly told the Israelis to do what they need to do. It's just a way of not being inflammatory on the world stage while also saying "go kick their arse." Geoolitics 101.

Even if we called for restraint and meant it doesn't mean Israel will comply, and if they don't comply that doesn't mean we'll do anything about it.

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That said, Limiting civilian casualties as much is possible is obviously in Israel’s best interest but it’s up to them. Hamas and their allies want as many dead children as they can get to blast all over the airways. To complicate matters, I think half the population of the Gaza Strip is children.

Hamas has been planning, digging tunnels, storing weapons and creating a “meat grinder” for over a decade. God only knows what weapons the Russians and Iranians have given them. They obviously baited the IDF into this move and It reeks of a bloody trap to kill as many Jews as possible, make the army look weak to the Arab world and force them into killing tons of innocents and lose the moral upper hand.

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Yes, Israel will take into consideration global opinion, but only to a certain extent. Hamas carried out the operation, but remember they're just a puppet. There are much bigger things at play than simply baiting Israel into a response. That's part of it - because the ones pulling the strings don't give a shite about dead Palis and they can certainly use it for messaging - but it's more/bigger than that.

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The only way this works, in my opinion, (from the comfort of my coach obviously), is to force the entire civilian population to Egypt to refugee camps, eliminate Hamas in the Gaza strip, blow up all the tunnels and their ammo dumps, block by block, and then to create secure fortifications and security checkpoints and towers all over etc. After all that is done, which I assume will take a year or more allow the civilians back into the area.

Is it possible to tell the civilian population to leave and section off the Gaza in areas to do this?

If I am completely wrong with this, what is your assessment?

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Egypt probably won't take them. There's a reason they've been bottled up in Gaza. Not only have the Palis caused trouble in the past when they've been taken in, they can't be used as a proxy unless they're in Gaza/West Bank. Egypt and Israel have fairly normalized relations and Egypt isn't a Hamas supporter, so they don't want them at all. The reasons I gave apply more to the other countries that are supporting Hamas.

There's the Gaza Strip and Gaza City. It's not feasible to clear the Strip, but they could probably get folks out of Gaza City before leveling it. But that would give the opportunity for Hamas to stall, so they probably won't mess with that. Tell them to get out and then stick to your timeline. If they make it, they make it. If not, too bad.

Overall, there is no good answer - certainly not one that is palatable to the world at large. This will likely be an issue into the future until such point that Israel finally decides it's over.

They'll just take everything, the world will bitch for awhile, and then they'll eventually forget about it. That could be this time or the next or the next. Nobody knows except the Israelis. We'll see.

Oh, this is rich!

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Hamas is Palestine. They are the government that runs it.

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Not true at all. Gaza, yes. The Palis as a whole, no.

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Ryna Workman

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That'll do.

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Are you a Jew?

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Nah. Don’t follow any religion

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Aaron Sibarium
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Winston & Strawn has fired Ryna Workman, the president of the NYU Law Student Bar Association who declared her support for Hamas.

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The ultimate Ivy League FAFO……to bad it wasn’t the spring semester where she’d have to scramble to find a new job. Now she will likely find a Govt position or clerk until the backlash blows over.

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Now she will likely find a Govt position or clerk until the backlash blows over.

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Ol Roomba Joe will make her a judge or something