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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page

Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:51 pm to
quote:

read: News Links On First Page
Well, they have people like Pandy who lick it up and repeat the talking points.
Nah. Pandy has his own opinions. I've been trying to wade through them the last 10 pages.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:53 pm to
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Well, read more I guess. It would help you look a lot less ignorant.

Also, to be clear. The prisoners aren't being held for murder. Doesn't mean they aren't murderers.

Terrorism is a broad term.




No I think you're the one who should read more. Just do a little searching, not much and you'll see exactly the type of prisoner the Israelis are releasing.

They're not releasing murderers or terrorists. This info is an easy find. Go check it out.

But why bother? You don't support it anyway.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:55 pm to
[quote]quote:
none of the prisoners the Israelis are releasing are murderers or were involved in acts of terrorism.

This simply isn't true.[/quote]

Of course it's true.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:56 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:56 pm to
Sure. Give me a list of the name of those being released. You have been on Israeli sites all day so you should have the list.

You are blindly supporting the freeing of terrorist. So yeah, don't expect critical thinking from you.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:10 pm to
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Alright. You keep it up, buttercup.


The Jerusalem Post

LINK


"Israel will, in exchange, release 150 Palestinian women and minors under 18 jailed for involvement or suspected involvement in security-related offenses".


None of these Hamas prisoners are involved or suspected of being involved in murder or terrorist related activities. The Israeli Government would certainly know.

These are the sort of people the Israeli Government is swapping for 40 Israeli children and their mothers.

It's a pretty solid deal.





This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted by pussywillows
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:11 pm to
the more you "talk", the more you prove that your ego exceeds your intelligence...
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:12 pm to
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the more you "talk", the more you prove that your ego exceeds your intelligence...


But that's not true. Just read up on this exchange for yourself. You'll see.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78366 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:20 pm to
Only thing I will say is that you have a strong opinion and don't really have an open mind. It's probably true for most people who have absolutely no concept of what is/was/has/will going on there.

Cliche to say "your privilege" keeps you from understanding, but it is obvious you have a myopic simple view of how things work there.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:23 pm to
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Only thing I will say is that you have a strong opinion and don't really have an open mind. It's probably true for most people who have absolutely no concept of what is/was/has/will going on there.

Cliche to say "your privilege" keeps you from understanding, but it is obvious you have a myopic simple view of how things work there.


Probably not.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:26 pm to
Why doesn't Israel offer 3 months of cease fire if every single hostage is released? Let all the Palestinian people know they wont get bombed (for now) if Hamas just releases the hostages.

Blockade Gaza for 3 months then resume pushing them out into the West as refugees.

Seems like they just want to skip to the part where they push them out to the West.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:30 pm to
Hamas has a PR arm.

Just like this exchange they know it is bad press if Israel turns down any offer. Take some on this thread, Hamas knows any denial of an offer as not wanting their people back to many that don'tunderstand the works. So Hamas mkes a shite offer public, Israel has to take it else they are big meanies.

Hamas gets time to refuel and regroup. Gets fighters back who owe them their lives. Still hold the hostage token for when they need time to get resupplied.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:39 pm
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39897 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:57 pm to
There probably aren't 50 live Israeli hostages left to release, hence the obfuscation
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:02 am to
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"Israel will, in exchange, release 150 Palestinian women and minors under 18 j


Wait. Israel has imprisoned Palestinian children? WTF?
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35917 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 6:32 am to
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Yes, when it comes to the lives of 40 children and their mothers. I have different values


Are all your decisions based off of emotion?
Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:12 am to
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quote:"Israel will, in exchange, release 150 Palestinian women and minors under 18 j Wait. Israel has imprisoned Palestinian children? WTF?


Very convenient of you to leave off the rest of that sentence.
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:23 am to
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Are all your decisions based off of emotion?



No and what you've quoted isn't the entire post. And also you're asking the question as if you don't understand what the Israelis are swapping out here. Maybe you don't.

They're trading 150 women and teenage boys who have not engaged in any murderous or terrorist acts. People the Israelis would certainly not kill, for 40 children and their mothers that are being held captive, people Hamas would certainly kill.

The Israelis aren't doing this based off emotion. They're doing it because it's a good deal. They're swapping people that don't matter to them for people who do.

I began this discussion by saying folks in this thread wouldn't like this deal because they would see it as capitulation and that's exactly what's happened.

Acts of civility and morality aren't always emotional in nature and it's these acts that separate the barbaric from the civilized.

You want to know how to handle North Korea? Ask South Korea. You want to know how to handle Palestinians? Ask Israelis. They know what they're doing.




This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 7:27 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78366 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:41 am to
quote:

You want to know how to handle Palestinians? Ask Israelis. They know what they're doing.


Has never backfired in the past, right?
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 7:50 am to
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There probably aren't 50 live Israeli hostages left to release, hence the obfuscation


Well Hamas leaders don't exactly know where some of them are and they've tacitly admitted recently that there are factions in Gaza that are acting Independently of leadership.

In other words. Some Hamas terrorists on the ground are off the reservation and hiding hostages from their own leadership.

This swap may be the only opportunity to get any of them back alive.

And if you believe Israel is resolute in its goal to destroy Hamas (as so many in this thread are), then these prisoners they exchange will never have the opportunity to join Hamas and commit acts of terror to begin with.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109220 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:00 am to
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"Israel will, in exchange, release 150 Palestinian women and minors under 18 jailed for involvement or suspected involvement in security-related offenses".


Security-related offenses = Terrorist related activities
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:07 am to
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Security-related offenses = Terrorist related activities




No it doesn't.

Most of those who are being swapped are repeat offender rock throwers and rioters or people who routinely rebel against security protocols. In other words, chronic shite stirrers. None have been involved in overt terrorism or murder. Or at least that's what the Israeli Government is saying, they would know.

Now if you want to suggest the Israeli Government is lying about who they're releasing, be my guest but we can only go off what's reported.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 8:20 am
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